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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [cobrazera] by thegraduate
Nov 12, 2007 (7:32 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Nov 12, 2007 6:20 am)

The responder who calls the Dodge 3.5 " HO " does so because that's what Dodge itself calls it in their ads. If having equal or more torque than HP is the criteria for HO, then the GM 3800 pushrod engine is HO. LOL
 
So is my 1996 Accord, with 139 lb-ft and 130 hp.
 
Who knew it was a hot rod?!?!?
 
Just kidding, just kidding.
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Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [thegraduate] by jaymagic
Nov 12, 2007 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 12, 2007 7:32 am)

Hey, if an owner wants to call his Chrysler a HO, I think we should respect his decision.
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Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [jaymagic] by thegraduate
Nov 12, 2007 (8:06 am)
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Replying to: jaymagic (Nov 12, 2007 7:59 am)

Jaymagic,
 
After multiple posts asking him questions about some posts he made, which contradicted themselves, in a non-threatening, non-sarcastic tone (you can check them out, I think i was pretty objective) and getting told I don't know how to read, I have no respect there whatsoever because I have gotten nothing but middle-school-style disrespect from the poster.
 
So, if I want to call my not-so-fast 130 horse Accord HO, I think I will. I'm not claiming it to be as fast as an Azera, but I think I'll call it the High Output Super Fantastic 16 Valve PowerDrive SOHC Quad-Cylinder Ultra-Deluxe Engine.
 
Too much?
 
Back to the fullsizers...
 
Any new Taurus or Sable owners with anything to report?
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Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [thegraduate] by bobber1
Nov 12, 2007 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 12, 2007 8:06 am)

Yeah. I got a 2008 Taurus about a month back. I've got 2,500 miles on the car and really think it's one of the best vehicles I've ever owned. The engines got a bit of growl, but good power and once you get on the open road and in high gear, it's one of the quietest cars I've been in. It handles and corners well.
 
Love all the room in the trunk and back seats. Driver controls are well laid out. Scores higher then anybody else is safety ratings which is important for my young family.
 
The 08 Taurus has an almost European feel to it and is a big improvement over previous models.
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Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [tjc78] by dborth
Nov 12, 2007 (10:39 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Nov 12, 2007 6:58 am)

re 3634: the HO version is 255/250. I do not know what they did to increase power on the HO version.
 
In the case of 300M's, the extra 5hp was a result of dual exhaust.
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Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [dborth] by tjc78
Nov 12, 2007 (11:31 am)
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Replying to: dborth (Nov 12, 2007 10:39 am)

I should have been more clear but the 255/250 is HP/Torque as compared to the "other" 3.5's HP/Torque rating. I do remember the "special" 300M with the 5 HP increase. What a joke that was. However, I like that car much more than the current series.
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Azera VS Maxima and Avalon! by xtec
Nov 12, 2007 (12:00 pm)
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This is the cars that Hyundai claims that you should be comparing your Azera to.I all ready proved that the Azera can't compare to the Charger.The Charger has better trade in value,better retail value,as well more popularity to the Azera.I think I saw maybe 3 Azera in a year compared to about 5 to6 Chargers every time I go out.The Badge on the side of my car says 3.5 HO.Its not my fault thats what it says.It is a high output ,and I did not say if your torque is better then the HP that its a HO engine,it takes more then that to be HO,just like the Mustang HO engine is not the same as their non HO.You call the Azera a luxury car,yet you compared it to the Charger SE which is the bottom trim line ,while your AZ is the top of the line,yet the Charger still beat you in value.So I think you should try to compete with Hyundai says you should,but My opinion says you will lose again.
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Re: Azera VS Maxima and Avalon! [xtec] by thegraduate
Nov 12, 2007 (12:03 pm)
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Replying to: xtec (Nov 12, 2007 12:00 pm)

I'd be interested in seeing some press or literature from Hyundai where they claim you should not compare to the Charger, and list the Maxima and Avalon as competitors.
 
I believe that they all compete since they are in the same price class and size class. You mention popularity and how you see 5 or 6 on the road everytime you are out... I'd bet a large percent of those are rentals. They sure are around here - V6 Chargers, 300s, and Magnums are rampant on Enterprise lots. They are in Oklahoma City as well, not just here in Birmingham. I'm willing to be this is the case over large parts of the country. Fleet sales hurt resale - just look at the outgoing Dodge Stratus.
 
I all ready proved that the Azera can't compare to the Charger.
 
I think you only proved it to yourself. If others were as convinced as you were, this discussion would be dead by now. If you think the Azera and Charger can't compete, then why participate in this discussion?
 
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Re: Azera VS Maxima and Avalon! [thegraduate] by xtec
Nov 12, 2007 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 12, 2007 12:03 pm)

Because its says so on top.I don't think the Azera should be on here,I don't call it a full size car.The bubble top on it is the only way they could get the EPA to classify it as full size.
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Re: Azera VS Maxima and Avalon! [xtec] by thegraduate
Nov 12, 2007 (12:15 pm)
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Replying to: xtec (Nov 12, 2007 12:08 pm)

If you call a tenth of an inch of legroom combined F/R difference between the two enough to merit one a class size different, that's your perogative. Personally, I wouldn't. The EPA and Edmunds tend to agree. You're wrong about the 'bubble top' being the "only way" it qualifies. It only makes the Azera have a solid inch or two more headroom inside than the chop-top Charger.
 
In fact, the EPA calls the Azera's smaller brother, the Sonata, a full-size car as well.

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