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#3626 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [allmet33] by thegraduate

Nov 09, 2007 (3:32 pm)

Replying to: allmet33 (Nov 09, 2007 10:47 am)
Nobody said you were thinking about the Azera when you put your exhaust system on. Again, YOU are the one that made the statment that putting the Borla exhaust system on made your Charger equal to the Azera. You said it, nobody else did. So don't get upset when folks jump on that piece of information and point out your Charger's shortcoming when directly compared to a stock Azera.
 
This was what I kept saying all along, allmet, but I just keep getting ignored and told I don't know how to read. It's probably best to just move on.
 
Let me ask a question for a new topic and maybe move past this..
 
What technology does the charger have in its engine (variable valve and cam timing, Variable Cylinder Management)? All I know is peak horsepower is down from the 300M that debuted in the 1990s. It was at the front of the class back then with a 253hp 3.5L V6, but now it seems just average, with cars like the Ford Taurus delivering 260+ through a 6-speed Auto, same true of Avalon and Passat etc...

#3627 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [alexstore] by cobrazera

Nov 09, 2007 (3:47 pm)

Replying to: alexstore (Nov 09, 2007 5:37 am)
My intent was to apply an apples to apples comparison. If the figures cited for the different vehicles are from the same source, they have used the same drag strip, starting technique, gasoline on board, driver weights, and corrections for temperature, altitude, and humidity. Your results may vary.

#3628 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [thegraduate] by captain2

Nov 09, 2007 (4:01 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 09, 2007 3:32 pm)
Grad- I think the answer to your question is that the Chrysler 3.5 (and variants) was a competitive engine in its time and was one of Chrysler's first sojourns into overhead cams, multiple exhaust and intake valves, and aluminum. As such it was and still is very similar to the Ford Duratech which was also competitive in its day.(we're talking the early middle 90s here). But things that are more current these days like VCM , CVVTi, and even a real VVT are lacking then and now. Maybe somebody who is more in tune with Mopar's antics can fill in some of the blanks?

#3629 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [captain2] by louiswei

Nov 09, 2007 (4:04 pm)

Replying to: captain2 (Nov 09, 2007 4:01 pm)
And most important, where is Mopar's direct injection?

#3630 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [xtec] by cobrazera

Nov 10, 2007 (12:59 pm)

Replying to: xtec (Nov 09, 2007 10:02 am)
Sorry, I didn't realize you had the 5-speed trans and the AWD that goes with it. Woops, add another couple hundred pounds making it close to 400 pounds heavier than the Azera.
Since when is it a virtue to have a larger car on the outside as you stated in a previous post? Larger outside, but smaller inside than the Azera - and that's a plus?
I wish I had an Azera interior to go with an exterior the size of a Mini Cooper, then I could store more stuff in my garage.
As far as the Azera suspension problems, mine has the "clunk", which is a somewhat hollow sound over low speed washboard roads. Big deal. I don't find the suspension dangerous in any way at all, and it isn't even worthy of my taking it to the dealer to get new struts ( which would be covered under warranty ).
The suspension is good enough to underpin a car that is capable of close to 150 MPH: no governor like on your Charger to save you from overheating your non-HO tires.

#3631 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [vic10] by kdshapiro

Nov 10, 2007 (1:09 pm)

Replying to: vic10 (Nov 09, 2007 7:06 am)
The Jeep with the Hemi gets dismal gas mileage in anything but downhill going with the wind, I would suspect nothing less with the Charger. I'll give it 2 mpg more. But I do not believe in heavy stop and go mixed driving a 5.7 L engine is going to pull 21 mpg. Even fuel efficient 4 cylinders will get that type of low mileage. in heavy traffic situations.

#3632 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [cobrazera] by chrisa222

Nov 10, 2007 (6:20 pm)

Replying to: cobrazera (Nov 10, 2007 12:59 pm)
Cobrazera..
 
I just wanted to respond to your post and let ya know that its worth a couple-hour (if that) trip at the dealer to have the struts replaced. After driving a few thousand miles on the new ones (replaced free of charge) I find the car a lot quieter AND it feels a bit more connected to the road. Nothing negative about getting them changed so I wanted to encourage you to do so. Im very happy with the results.
 
Secondly...
 
Someone mentioned that the Azera is not a high performance engine but the 3.5 in the Charger is, because the 3.8 has less torque than HP (although I think it has more torque than the Charger anyway). It is not just the torque figure that determines how fast a car accellerates....you have to take into consideration how quickly the engine revs, peak hp, gearing, etc etc etc. So whoever was saying that about the 3.5 being "HO" and the 3.8 in the Azera is simply incorrect in that assumption. Plus, I have a pretty good feeling that the 3.5 in the Charger (and Pacifica,etc was rated at 250HP using the old standard for rating HP. If you look at that same engine in a NEW car with the NEW standard, (the new Avenger) it is only making 235 HP. The Azera since it was new in 06 was tested using the new standards. Why does the Azera have more power? More displacement, more modern (Variable valve timing) etc.
 
Basically its no contest!

#3633 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [chrisa222] by cobrazera

Nov 12, 2007 (7:20 am)

Replying to: chrisa222 (Nov 10, 2007 6:20 pm)
Thanks for the advice on the suspension fix. Sounds like it's worthwhile.
 
The responder who calls the Dodge 3.5 " HO " does so because that's what Dodge itself calls it in their ads. If having equal or more torque than HP is the criteria for HO, then the GM 3800 pushrod engine is HO. LOL

#3634 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [cobrazera] by tjc78

Nov 12, 2007 (7:58 am)

Replying to: cobrazera (Nov 12, 2007 7:20 am)
It is called the "HO" 3.5 because there are 2 varients of the Chrysler 3.5 one that makes 234/241 and the HO version is 255/250. I do not know what they did to increase power on the HO version. What is so wierd about these engines are that they are SOHC but still 4 valve/cylinder.
 
The 3800 is HO (back in 1990!!)
Admitted cheap shot... had to do it!

#3635 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [cobrazera] by thegraduate

Nov 12, 2007 (8:32 am)

Replying to: cobrazera (Nov 12, 2007 7:20 am)
The responder who calls the Dodge 3.5 " HO " does so because that's what Dodge itself calls it in their ads. If having equal or more torque than HP is the criteria for HO, then the GM 3800 pushrod engine is HO. LOL
 
So is my 1996 Accord, with 139 lb-ft and 130 hp.
 
Who knew it was a hot rod?!?!?
 
Just kidding, just kidding.

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