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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3597 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [xtec]
Nov 08, 2007 (8:57 pm)
I never said your point WAS to keep up with the Azera, I said that I find it odd that you can knock the Azera and praise the "High Output" engine from Chrysler and then say only after the modifications would your V6 Charger keep up with the Azera.
We get it, you don't feel the Hyundai engine is a durable as the Dodge (there's no evidenciary support that I've seen backing that claim, but you are entitled to your opinion and won't pursue that further).
Is the 3.5L in the Dodge and Chrysler not the same engine that debuted with the 300M back when Clinton was in the White House?
To compare a mechanically modified Charger to a stock Azera isn't a fair comparison, when you think about it. It's like comparing apples to applesauce. A comparison loses its importance when you start talking about modded cars. One is modified, one is left alone = not a fair fight.
#3598 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [thegraduate]
Nov 08, 2007 (9:06 pm)
First of all the Azera has 13hp more then the Charger.They both are close to weight.There is something called horsepower to weight ratio.The Azera 13 horse advantage should make it faster.Now with equal horepower,my Charger would prevail because it is a hight output with better heads,intake,and exhaust manifolds.If you can't understand that,then I can't help you.This 3.5 is not the same 3.5 when they first came out with the Intrepid,and Concorde,or LHS.This engine came out in '98 and been improved since then.I had this engine in my '02 Intrepid SXT and was very pleased with the performance.
#3599 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [xtec]
Nov 08, 2007 (9:11 pm)
For a mechanic who sez he has worked on Police units for 23 years,
you sure don't know what you are talking about.
Here in town, we have three new "Hemi" units, and two of 'em are broken down!
You can't believe that just because your 3.5 makes noise, that it's faster!
NO, it's only noisier.
Isn't the 3.5 rear drive? Do you know how much power is lost spinning a long driveshaft?
You think a 3.5 rear drive unit is faster than a 3.8 front wheel drive? Get real!
My Azera is box stock, and I say, bring your chopped top police unit around.
If you have been a mechanic for so long, you must have worked on the 9C1s.
Compare your chopped-topped Dodge to one of them.
Ask the older officers which car they preferred, the 9C1 or these new junk Dodges.
Why did you make the broad statement that the Azera wouldn't last a year?
Carry on, and keep busy as I know you must, maintaining those Chyslers.
#3600 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [xtec]
Nov 08, 2007 (9:16 pm)
You don't have to talk down to me, I'm not trying to bash Dodge or promote Hyundai (I personally didn't care for either). You've just sort of contradicted your earlier statement, which is what I had responded to previously. That statement was:
I have had Borlas dual exhaust put on my Charger.That makes me pretty equal to the Azeras.
Deductive reasoning would say Borlas improve performace. You said "that," meaning the Borlas I presume, makes you pretty equal to the Azera. If I assume that performance was less on your charger BEFORE the Borlas were installed, then performance must have been less than equal to the Azera.
In other words, your argument implied the Azera would be better than the Charger before the Borlas.
These are family sedans, I realize. I'm just trying to understand your argument.
#3601 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [derrelhgreen]
Nov 08, 2007 (9:18 pm)
You DON"T know what your talking about.They had a show about Police cars and the best one was a Mopar and always will be.I worked on Fords,Chevies,and neither one could take the beating the Mopars took,I think I have more experience then you.
#3602 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [thegraduate]
Nov 08, 2007 (9:25 pm)
Your are somebody WHO doesn't know how to read a message board and puts in what you want it to say.I can't get through to you and no sense arguing with you.I dont care if Im equal with everycar on the planet,sorry to bust your bubble,but the Azera had NOTHING to do with my DECISION to put the Borla exhaust on,it something we talked about on the Charger board ,And some of us decided to add it on.Your making it a bigger deal then it is .Just leave it at that.
#3603 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [xtec]
Nov 08, 2007 (9:31 pm)
Your are somebody WHO doesn't know how to read a message board and puts in what you want it to say.
I haven't done anything to be talked down to, but telling me I don't know how to read a message board just doesn't make any sense. Putting in what I want to say? All I did was repeat what you said and then ask you about it further.
I dont care if Im equal with everycar on the planet,sorry to bust your bubble,but the Azera had NOTHING to do with my DECISION to put the Borla exhaust on,it
I never said the Azera had anything to do with your decision to put a Borla exhaust on your Charger. You brought up the Borla exhausts and how they made your car pretty equal with the Azera. I replied to your post asking about it, and I got a very unfriendly response.
You aren't bursting my bubble, as I have no stake in seeing Dodge or Hyundai succeed.
ANYWAY, can you drop the personal attacks please? Maybe we can talk about the vehicles? Do you really feel the Charger was not equal with the Azera before you modified it, or was your first post I responded to made in error? That's all I've wanted to find out, and I'll I've gotten is verbally beaten up.
Nov 08, 2007 (9:55 pm)
You think, but how little you know!
When will you learn? I have worked on the 9C1s more than you have.
Ever hear of the WX3? Bet you have not. You name it, and I did it.
Went though four motors and three trannies.
Supercharged, 52 mm throttle body, custom made after-market heads, various cams,
A S & M headers, a bigger diameter custom made driveshaft, widened factory rear
wheels with 315/35s, custom programmed ECU to name a few. 3.73s, 9C1 springs.
It's been more than ten years; I'm sure I forget some things.
Forgot the best part. The WX3 is the 94-96 Impala SS which was based on the 9C1 don't you know? I'll bet you did not. But that's right, you're the professional mechanic.
So don't tell us about your chopped top Dodge that you can't even see out of properly.
Bet the tall officers simply love 'em for that.
Many cities are still driving the old 9C1s, the last of which was produced in 1996 because they are probably the best police unit produced in the last twenty years, bar none!
Carry on, and keep on wrenching.
Forget trying to argue cars with an old timer who probably
has forgotten more than you know about cars!
#3605 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [alexstore]
Nov 09, 2007 (2:56 am)
Car and Driver tests: Jul '06, Azera 0-60 ..6.1, 1/4 mile..14.8
Jul '05 Avalon 0-60..6.0, 1/4 mile..14.6
Jul '05 Maxima 0-60..6.1, 1/4 mile..14.9
#3606 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [xtec]
Nov 09, 2007 (3:19 am)
The Charger V6 weighs about 100 lbs more than the Azera, and has only 4 speeds in the tranny which will keep your H/O engine further away from its power peak. That Borla exhaust must be a good one 'cuz the 300C with the 3.5 V6 was over a second slower to 60 than the Azera as tested by C&D magazine.