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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [alexstore] by allmet33
Nov 07, 2007 (7:13 am)
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Replying to: alexstore (Nov 07, 2007 7:04 am)

Alexstore...stop smoking that stuff. What in the world is Toyota Syndrome??? Did you actually test drive the V-E-R-A-C-R-U-Z? A Murano can't touch it! Besides, you're comparing a mid-size SUV (Murano) to a full-sized SUV (Veracruz). A better comparison would have been the Santa Fe vs. Murano.
 
Anyway...what exactly do you mean by "status"??? Are you aware that the Avalon isn't even the best vehicle that Toyota makes? The FJ Cruiser has taken that distinction as the Toyota vehicle with the least amount of problems.
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Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [alexstore] by dborth
Nov 07, 2007 (7:14 am)
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Replying to: alexstore (Nov 07, 2007 7:04 am)

re: 3550 Your post is a little confusing.
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Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [dborth] by allmet33
Nov 07, 2007 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: dborth (Nov 07, 2007 7:14 am)

Personally, I think HE'S confused himself!
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Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [allmet33] by cobrazera
Nov 07, 2007 (9:16 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Nov 07, 2007 5:50 am)

As a " Car Nut " there's no way I could consider the Charger without the V-8 - that's it's best virtue. Besides, the V-6 Azera is closer in performance to the V-8 Charger than it is to the V-6.
The Azera 1/4 mile and 0-60 are each about 1/2 sec behind the V-8 Charger; in the stoplight Grand Prix, whoever leaves first will not be caught without going into illegal speeds.
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Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [cobrazera] by allmet33
Nov 07, 2007 (9:28 am)
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Replying to: cobrazera (Nov 07, 2007 9:16 am)

I understand what you're saying and I agree, as you saw from my previous statement that unless you have the R/T (or SRT-8), the Charger (Magnum or 300) just isn't worth it.
 
It's sad that it takes an American V-8 to contend with a Korean V-6. However, from an equipment standpoint...the two are not equal. This discussion didn't start out intially as a performance issue, rather a value issue and to get a good comparison between them...you need to build them up the same, that means V-6 for V-6, even if they don't perform the same.
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GM's 3rd quarter $36 billion loss! by dborth
Nov 07, 2007 (10:56 am)
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Well, there goes the end of model year rebates.
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Re: GM's 3rd quarter $36 billion loss! [dborth] by allmet33
Nov 07, 2007 (11:08 am)
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Replying to: dborth (Nov 07, 2007 10:56 am)

Nah...they'll still offer rebates, they'll just cut more jobs to make up the difference!
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Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [joe97] by vic10
Nov 07, 2007 (11:21 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Nov 06, 2007 6:08 pm)

Oh, I don't know. I assume you drive a car with a dull gray paint job, painted steel wheels, rubber mats on the floor, cheap vinyl interior? Numbers are nice but there's got to be some kind of visual appeal in the selection process, sometimes to overwhelm a 1/2 second in performance or few hundred $$$ in price/value. There's a shop foreman at our facility who alternates driving his "yellow bee" Charger and his Harley. He would probably rather be seen peddling a tricyle to work than driving a Hyundai. But that was HIS appeal-choice. I'm always surprised at how defensive, and then offensive, Azera owners are when their car choice is criticized. No need to be embarrassed. That was YOUR choice.
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Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [vic10] by allmet33
Nov 07, 2007 (11:45 am)
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Replying to: vic10 (Nov 07, 2007 11:21 am)

I really don't think it's an issue of being offended or defending a choice over what vehicle was selected. Everyone is going to have their own personal reasons as to why they purchased a particular vehicle. The only time anyone should feel "stuck" with a vehicle is if they didn't do their homework before purchasing and ended up getting taken for a ride. Some folks take a quick spin around the block and feel that's all they needed to see. However, if they had spent a little more time in the car, they may have found issues that affect them such as seating, ride comfort and other things that really only come up once you get over the initial appeal that the Azera is actually a Hyundai.
 
There's a lot of folks that went into buying and Azera with one eye open. Sure, they knew of Hyundai's past, but they couldn't deny the appeal the car had. Then, when one tiny, miniscule issue comes up...they want to bash the car and make it seem like it was the worst decision they ever made in their life. The same can happen for ANY make and model of car.
 
Case in point, I was filling up one day at a local gas station and a guy filling up is Cadillac SRX was inquiring as to what I thought of my Azera. After telling him how long I've had it, how many miles it had and the lack of problems I had with it, he proceeded to tell me that his Caddy had 55K miles on it and had been giving him problems.
 
Honestly, it's not really the vehicle it's self that's the real problem. The problem is the customer service that is lacking at so many dealership service departments. Sadly, it seems that is Hyundai's glaring black eye. I mean, if an owner pops up with a problem and they seem to fix it in an expeditious manner, I bet you...the owner would have little to say about the problem at all. However, Hyundai's lackadasical approach to dealing with owner issues only intesifies the problems because the owners anger only snowballs until he/she is mad at the world. Then as soon as someone says something negative about the car, they are quick to jump in and literally dump on it themselves.
 
Then you have the folks that get on here and bash a Hyundai product without ever setting foot (or butt in this case) in one to take it for a test drive. They are basing all their comments on the knowledge they have of Hyundai's past products. A guy that works with me was that very way, until he rode in my Azera. His opinion quickly changed and he doesn't think so lowly of Hyundai as he once did. Sure, he's still going to be skeptical, but...not shut off to the idea that Hyundai can actually make a good product.
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Consumer Rating on Nissan Maxima by allmet33
Nov 07, 2007 (11:51 am)
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Alexstore...that must be YOUR rating there. Funny...nobody else seems to think it's worth talking about! LOL Whoever it was...the Maxima is no longer king, it's more like the prince in the Nissan line-up. The Altima has replaced it on the throne...for now!
 
I will say this much...that Altima coupe is one stylish ride.

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