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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan

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#3532 of 6854 Re: 2008 Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable MPG [thegraduate] by captain2

Oct 30, 2007 (10:25 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 29, 2007 1:46 pm)
it would seem to me that the one poster reporting 22 mpg (60% highway ) and 27 mpg (highway) is about right for that particular car and likely a tad better than the same car with the smaller 3.0 engine. In effect a creditable job by Ford, and also right in the same neighborhood as most of the other cars in this group. HP and FE are not contradictions, on the contrary they seem to happen together.
 IMPO, I think that you will find the engine overall to be in the same category as Hyundia's in terms of smoothness and refinement, but still short of those V6s offered by the Japan 3 - this based on a test drive I did in an Edge - not in a Taurus. That said, it is entirely possible with the 260HP (in the heavier Edge) to extract some rather spirited performance without really pushing the engine to the point that it begins to sound and feel strained (5000 rpm or so).
Overall, I believe that Ford may finally have a winner after some misfires, the 500/Taurus always was an intelligently designed space ship and now it has a Hyundai type price tag to go with it. I hope that Ford does its best to keep the car away from Hertz (aren't Hertz and Taurus one in the same?) and fleets - Ford may make some money and Taurus buyers would likely see resale values hold a bit better - a win-win situation.

#3533 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [djm2] by floridabob1

Nov 05, 2007 (3:26 am)

Replying to: djm2 (Oct 29, 2007 5:44 am)
RE:3506
If one is interested in resale value after a couple of years, stay away from Hyundai.
Their products are best suited to long term buyers or lease holders

#3534 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [floridabob1] by captain2

Nov 05, 2007 (12:09 pm)

Replying to: floridabob1 (Nov 05, 2007 3:26 am)
If one is interested in resale value after a couple of years, stay away from Hyundai.
and, to be fair, the 'US' brands as well. I believe that Ford, GM and/or Chrysler are discounting their products every bit as steeply as Hyundai/Kia, thereby undermining any hope a shorter term owner might ever have of recovering a 'fair' trade in value. Remember that the primary reason why the Avalon, for example, is so valuable as a used car is that they are relatively expensive new and are not discounted initially to the degree that the others are.

#3535 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [captain2] by xtec

Nov 06, 2007 (10:47 am)

Replying to: captain2 (Nov 05, 2007 12:09 pm)
I checked out Kelly Blue Book to check out you theory.This is what I found. I checked on trade in value for a 2006 Chrysler 300c and compared it to a 2006 Avalon Limited.This is with standard equipment.The 300C was 26275,the Avalon was 26050.I compared my Charger to the Azera and the Charger was more then the Azera.Chrysler seems to have the best trade in value.

#3536 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [xtec] by allmet33

Nov 06, 2007 (12:38 pm)

Replying to: xtec (Nov 06, 2007 10:47 am)
Which Charger did you compare to the Azera?

#3537 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [allmet33] by xtec

Nov 06, 2007 (12:55 pm)

Replying to: allmet33 (Nov 06, 2007 12:38 pm)
I compared the Azera Limited to the Charger R/T.I used my options.The R/T was 29530 to the Azera 25100.I then compared my Charger SXT to the Azera SE.The Charger was 24665 to the Azera 22000.I used 6000 miles for mileage,thats what I have on my Charger.You can check it out yourself,you don't have to take my word for it.The LX cars have one of the best resale.

#3538 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [xtec] by allmet33

Nov 06, 2007 (1:42 pm)

Replying to: xtec (Nov 06, 2007 12:55 pm)
What numbers are you quoting? $24,665/Charger vs. $22,000/Azera!!!
 
First of all, start with the purchase price of said vehicles...comparibly equipped (if that's even possible). Then, set them up evenly in a trade-in calculator (KBB or Edmunds). Put in the same superficial info, such as mileage, color and condition and see what #'s you come up with when all is said and done. The Charger may be worth more, but only because you paid more. What you need to point out is...the difference between purchase price and trade in price and calculate the percentage of difference.
 
If you break down the difference in value to percentages, you will be surprised to find out that it's not that far off in reality. I did the same comparison using an Avalon Touring model vs. Azera Limited...both fully loaded and both with 20k miles...the difference in value based on each cars' initial purchase price were actually pretty consistent with each other. There was no major difference in resale value between the Avalon and the Azera (refer to post #3451).
 
Post #3451

#3539 of 6854 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE by allmet33

Nov 06, 2007 (2:02 pm)

Okay, okay...here we go.
 
I set it up to be equally equipped compared to my 2006 Azera Limited with premium package.
 
Leather seating, Power driver's & passenger seats, V-6 engines, Heated exterior mirrors, AM/FM/CD Changer/MP3 Audio System, Front & rear air bags, Split folding rear seat, Fullsize matching spare tire, Alloy wheels, Leather trimmed steering wheel & shift knob, Front fog/driving lights, Power sunroof, and Heated front driver's & passenger's seats.
 
Both cars pretty much equally equiped at this point.
 
I plugged in 25k miles, black in color and for giggles...I selected "Outstanding" condition.
 
The values are as follows:
 
2006 Charger SE
 
Trade-in - $18,027
Private Sale - $19,798
Dealer Retail - $21,604
 
2006 Azera Limited (premium package)
 
Trade-in - 18,895
Private Sale - $20,471
Dealer Retail - $21,761
 
Again, both vehicles are pretty dead even in equipment and I plugged in the same color, mileage and condition to make them as equal as possible to determine the value. As you see...the Azera fared better than the Charger in this comparison.

#3540 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [allmet33] by xtec

Nov 06, 2007 (2:07 pm)

Replying to: allmet33 (Nov 06, 2007 2:02 pm)
Your comparing the Charger SE which is the cheapest of all Chargers to the top of line Azera yet the Charger was only 163$.That Azera should be copared to the Charger R/T to come with the close to same MSRP.Your doing apples to oranges,I'm doing apple to apple.You just proved that the Chrysler cars have a better value.Thanks.

#3541 of 6854 Re: 2006 Azera Limited vs. 2006 Charger SE [xtec] by allmet33

Nov 06, 2007 (2:24 pm)

Replying to: xtec (Nov 06, 2007 2:07 pm)
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...why would you compare a V-8 equipped Charger with a V-6 equipped Azera??? Oh yeah, that's right, that's the only way American cars can keep up with the imports! LMAO
 
No my friend, YOU are doing apples to oranges.
 
You don't use the MSRP as your starting point, you take two vehicles and equip them as equally as you can. Which is exactly what I did. A fully loaded Charger R/T will cost WAY more than a fully loaded Azera Limited (ultimate package).
 
Like I said before, I don't know what the price of the Charger SE equipped as I showed went for in 2006, so I can't honestly say which has the better value. If I'm not mistaken, it would have run about $25K to get a Charger like that, in which case...the value between the two is pretty darn close. Maybe I should have said the Charger SE with the SXT package, I guess you didn't look at the options that were listed in the comparison. Being a Charger owner, I was assuming you would have known that.
 
Go back to your apples and oranges pick with the Charger R/T vs. the Azera...that's a joke!!! The BASE 2007 model R/T starts out with an MSRP of just over $30K. Not to mention to get an R/T with some of the same features as the Azera...you're talking an MSRP of $35K (that's not even fully loaded). The fully loaded 2007 Azera Limited w/XM shows and MSRP of just over $27K. With all the options, the MSRP on the Azera is just over $31K How on earth do you try to compare the two???
 
The 2007 Charger SE with the SXT package (which equips the Charger very similarly to the Azera Limited w/Premium Package) as I stated in my initial post, comes to just under $26K. So why is it apples and oranges when comparing the two???
 
Whatever it is you're smoking over there...take it back and get a refund because it's a bad batch!!!
 
I'm sorry if you're feelings are hurt to find out that there's no big difference in resale value between the Azera and the Charger (when equally equipped). LOL You tried hard though, I'll give you a C+ for your valiant effort.

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