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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3507 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [imidazol97]
Oct 29, 2007 (5:32 am)
Wrong - kind of. Remember that the Avalon preceeded the Camry by 2 years and was the first of the 2GR engine (in the entire Toyota/Lexus line), and rides on a longer wheelbase than either the Camry or the ES which do ride on identical chassis. The 05+ Avalon was totally new and shares nothing with an 04 Camry - if anything the 07 Camry owes its (downsized) existence to the Avalon - the opposite of the way it had been historically (2004 and earlier).
#3508 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [djm2]
Oct 29, 2007 (5:54 am)
The purchase price of the vehicle is not my concern, but the resale value is very important to me
As it should be to us all - sounds like folks should be lined up for miles just to get at one of your 'used' cars - trading them off at 75k and maintaining them the way you do. However, the number that really should concern you is the gross dollar difference between the purchase price and the expected resale value. Since the Toyota will cost more initially it will naturally have more value at 75k, the Azera can cost less and should also be worth less later. The differences between those numbers is really what determines value (and cost to own). Remember to add the cost of the 'bumper-to-bumper' warranties on the prices of both cars as well - if having that extra 'peace of mind' is worth it to you.
And yep a common compliant I hear about Toyota (and Honda) dealers is their 'let me do a favor and sell you a car' attitude and FTM a general lack of good service at Hyundai dealers. Hyundai dealerships being associated in any way with Chrysler dealers may not be a good thing even over the next 3 years.
#3509 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [djm2]
Oct 29, 2007 (6:34 am)
Since you drive half of the US, you would know this whole "Chrysler/Hyundai/Kia" is not a trend. Hardly, actually. The setup of the dealer network, for the most part, is entirely up to the dealers themselves. FWIW, there is a dealer I recently assessed, with Saab, Buick, and Hyundai on the same lot.
Now can we get back to LARGE sedan discussion?
#3510 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [djm2]
Oct 29, 2007 (6:46 am)
Hi Dwayne. The Camry and the Optima are being discussed in the Midsize Sedans discussion. See you over there!
#3511 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [djm2]
Oct 29, 2007 (6:54 am)
I also have over 20K on my 07 Azera, and will have about 22 by the time it is one year old (21st -I think- of this month). I understand the concern about getting a car fixed, if you are doing a lot of traveling. Even if the car is rated, or known as highly reliable, stuff still happens to us all. And, since I am as, or more skeptical of a Chysler's reliability, than many are of Hyundai's, I can also understand the concern about a local Chrysler dealer who happens to sell Hyundai's. In my part of the country, I am not really aware of any Chrysler dealers who also carry Hyundai, except mega dealers who have a dealership for virtually every brand (including Hyundai). BUT, I also have found my "Hyundai only" dealer to be very responsive to my needs, even if not extremely knowledgeable when the model first appeared.
Having had an 02 350XG before the Azera, I was concerned about the service network as well, when I bought it. It had about 75+K on it when I finally traded it in on the Azzy (along with cash from an 00 Avalon XLS, which I sold). What I found, at least in the Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, and Wyoming areas, were a surprising number of dealers who handle Hyundai's in smaller cities. I know in Colorado, when I was looking for an Azera, I contacted dealers in Ft. Collins, Greeley, Pueblo, and Cheyenne Wyo., as well as several in the Denver area. So, while there are CLEARLY way more domestic and Toyota dealers around the country, I have not run into any problem finding a dealer for service, although the most I have ever needed was an oil change or filter when I was out of town. So, Hyundai service and support has never been a problem for me since I got my first one in 02.
#3512 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [captain2]
Oct 29, 2007 (7:04 am)
2005 Full-Size Sedan Comparison Test
First Place: 2005 Toyota Avalon
By Erin Riches, Senior Content Editor , Edmunds.com
Date posted: 03-28-2005
Redesigned from the ground up, the Avalon now rides on a stretched version of the current Camry platform.
#3513 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [jaymagic]
Oct 29, 2007 (7:04 am)
even if not extremely knowledgeable when the model first appeared.
funny you should mention that - had the same problem with my Avalon in 05 - whether it be wiper blades, oil filters, oil capacities etc. the dealer had evidently had no 'training' on the car. Wonder why they do that, both the Avalon and the Azera are the flagships of their respective brands - you would think they would make some effort.
#3514 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [imidazol97]
Oct 29, 2007 (7:08 am)
wrap your head arounde this - this is WRONG also - look up the specs.. Maybe Erin whatever her name is, needs to do a little more research instead of regurgitating what had been true the previous 10 years or so.
#3515 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [captain2]
Oct 29, 2007 (7:17 am)
Maybe they figure Azera and Avalon owners are so old, we will die before we need to buy another car.
Funny you mentioned that issue with Avalon service. I had really forgotten that I had similar initial problems with service writers on the 00 Avalon XLS when new (it was the first year of that generation's model). I ended up switching to a different dealer. LOL, so I know how some Azzy owners who had to struggle with a dealer must have felt. Although, with Azera's now almost three years old, I suspect that the only signficant dealer service problems are warranty disputes, where the dealer doesn't want to support the customer. I imagine the days of trying to figure out how to program lock/unlock issues, and getting immobilizer codes are past.
#3516 of 6854 Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [jaymagic]
Oct 29, 2007 (7:24 am)
but your 00 XLS really was a 'gussied up' Camry - and therefore should not have caused the dealer any problems?