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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

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Re: Large sedans and V8s [louiswei] by captain2
Oct 26, 2007 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Oct 26, 2007 10:35 am)

louis - you would think that if you can rather easily get 300hp out of a 3.5 liter Toyota engine or Cadillac engine, that something like 400hp out of 5-6 liters ought to be 'easy' (SRT8) although it is all that torque produced by the extra displacement and pushrods, and of course that wonderful V8 rumble, that make these cars so attractive - FE be damned. It just confuses me that GM/Chrysler should be having so many problems with something like V8s, it is what they have been historically good at and the reliabilities of most of the Trucks/Suvs so equipped is TMK not that bad. I sure have had relatively good luck with them over the years.
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Re: Large sedans and V8s [captain2] by xscout
Oct 26, 2007 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 26, 2007 10:23 am)

CR looks at many things to determine the color of their circles. I recall having two vehicles in a row that they gave the black circle to and I drove one for four years and the other for thirteen years never needing anything other than routine maintenance.
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Re: Large sedans and V8s [captain2] by louiswei
Oct 26, 2007 (1:36 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 26, 2007 10:50 am)

Torque you say? All the new generation high feature V6s from GM, Nissan, Honda and Toyota all have torques around 260 lb-ft with the 2GR-FSE at 277. It has been reported that the DI version of the 2GR is easily capable to be tuned to deliver around 350 HP. At that rating I wouldn't be surprise to the the torque to be around 300 lb-ft.
 
V8 rumble eh? Go try Nissan's VQ35. Want a high screaming V6? Honda has that taken care of. Don't like both but want ultimate refinement? Toyota's 2GR is the one for you. With cases like these, I just don't see the point of "low feature" V8s anymore.
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Re: Large sedans and V8s [louiswei] by tjc78
Oct 26, 2007 (2:17 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Oct 26, 2007 1:36 pm)

"I just don't see the point of "low feature" V8s anymore"
 
They are a selling point. The old mine is bigger than yours theory. There are several people who just don't realize what a modern V6 is capable of. Just look back through this discussion. It has come up plenty of times. The V8 does have one advantage over the modern V6s: low end torque. I will always contend that the V6s spool up faster and its a wash.... but different strokes. The FE penalty for the V8 doesn't make up for its benefit IMO.
 
"Don't like both but want ultimate refinement? Toyota's 2GR is the one for you"
 
Absolutely
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Why purchase a Kia Amanti by djm2
Oct 27, 2007 (2:25 am)
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Hi All:
   A 2007 Kia Amanti with the following options, (packages); ---Gl Pkg.,KP Pkg., SR Pkg., & EC Pkg. has an MSRP of $31,575, INVOICE of $28,550 and a TMV, (less $1,000 rebate), of $28,346
   QUESTION: ---- You can purchase an XLE - V6 Toyota Camry for almost the same amount, and have a better resale value after three (3) years of ownership. Why purchase the Kia Amanti????? Please educate me!!!!!
   Best regards. ----- Dwayne
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Why purchase a Kia Amanti ? [djm2] by derrelhgreen
Oct 27, 2007 (5:11 am)
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Replying to: djm2 (Oct 27, 2007 2:25 am)

Dwayne, your question should be: Why consider the Kia Amanti at all?
Is it as good as the fully loaded Azera which has approximately the same MSRP even
when equipped with the extra cost Powered Pearl White finish at $200 extra,
but can be purchased for approximately $2K less than the Kia Amanti.
 
The Kia probably does suffers more than the Azera when it comes to resale value.
 
You are most likely correct when you talk about the better resale value of the XLE Camry after
three years, BUT remember this: You must live with that Camry for those three years!
I'm hearing that most T's are not as dependable as they once were.
Also, I do not believe that the new Camry will run as well as the Azera, nor is it as nice to begin with.
 
Your choice for sure. It is entirely up to you.
 
 
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Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [djm2] by jaymagic
Oct 27, 2007 (8:56 am)
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Replying to: djm2 (Oct 27, 2007 2:25 am)

It also depends on how large of car you want. The Azera is a full size sedan, as large as the Avalon. If you need more car, then the Azera or Avalon are your choices.
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Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [djm2] by joe97
Oct 27, 2007 (9:03 am)
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Replying to: djm2 (Oct 27, 2007 2:25 am)

Why purchase anything? Let's have everyone in the world purchase a Camry and call it a day - only color choice - beige
 
I assume you are a Toyota owner, and from your Camry vs. Azera/Amanti posts, you seem to be a Camry owner. I think a lot of people have already told you the differences between the three cars. You might want to lay off infecting the Camry in this thread with your bias, unless this is your way justifying the price you paid for your Camry
 
And just to reiterate, the Camry really doesn't have any place in this discussion thread. Is it mainstream large sedans? Nope.
 
If you brought up to Sonata, or the current Accord (without the sunroof), you might have some qualifications, as they are classified as large sedans.
 
Are we going to see any more Camry vs. [insert large sedans here]?
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ordering a 9C1 or 9C3 police impala by anthonya
Oct 27, 2007 (2:25 pm)
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Does anyone on the board know if "civilians" can order a 9C1 or 9C3 police impala? I've got a lot of radio and electronic equipment I want to install in my car and the police impalas have a lot of options to do this.
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Re: Why purchase a Kia Amanti [joe97] by djm2
Oct 28, 2007 (2:55 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Oct 27, 2007 9:03 am)

Good Morning Joe97:
     I reviewed you posting with great interest. Kindly be advised that I have parked my 2007 Camry XLE side by side with a 2007 Toyota Avalon, and there is very little difference in the size, or the avaiable cabin room when comparing the two vehicles. Yes, the Avalon looks better in terms of trim, but the XLE is also a very nice vehicle. Comparing a XLE Camry to an Amanti or an Azera is valid! I would strongly suggest that you look at the two vehicles side by side, and then "get back to me"!
     Best regards. ------ Dwyane

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