You are here: Forums Sedans Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

6844 messages,  Last post on Mar 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan

#3485 of 6844 Large sedans and V8s by captain2 Oct 26, 2007 (10:23 am)
jaymajic's comment about his friend and his apparent problems with his 300 (300C I'm guessing), also reminds me that the Impala SS has also achieved the infamous 'black circle' from CR and might also indicate that these 'new' RWD V8 Aussie models (like the GTO) be approached with caution. Both companies have been producing small block V8s like this for years and years - but 'black circle' ratings tend to happen with reliability/engine issues. Makes no sense, unless we are having a replay of those famous problems Cadillac had back in the earlier 90s with V8-6-4 or for some reason, GM can't produce a multi spd. tranny that'll handle the extra torque. Anybody shed some light on what kind of problems folks are having, because the V6 models seem to be doing better? This is the most logical competition for things like the Genesis, but it sure beginning to sound like 'Detroit' will be leaving the door wide open - again! Replies to this message: captain2 (Oct 26, 2007 10:33 am) louiswei (Oct 26, 2007 10:35 am) captain2 (Oct 26, 2007 10:50 am) louiswei (Oct 26, 2007 1:36 pm) and 1 more... xscout (Oct 26, 2007 12:48 pm)
#3486 of 6844 Re: Large sedans and V8s [captain2] by captain2 Oct 26, 2007 (10:33 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Oct 26, 2007 10:23 am) PS another possibility - CR is intentionally finding things to gripe about because the FE of the V8s isn't exactly politically correct these days.
#3487 of 6844 Re: Large sedans and V8s [captain2] by louiswei Oct 26, 2007 (10:35 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Oct 26, 2007 10:23 am) Unless the V8 is over 340HP I don't see much point choosing a V8 over V6 now-a-day. Replies to this message: captain2 (Oct 26, 2007 10:50 am) louiswei (Oct 26, 2007 1:36 pm) tjc78 (Oct 26, 2007 2:17 pm)
#3488 of 6844 Re: Large sedans and V8s [louiswei] by captain2 Oct 26, 2007 (10:50 am)
Replying to: louiswei (Oct 26, 2007 10:35 am) louis - you would think that if you can rather easily get 300hp out of a 3.5 liter Toyota engine or Cadillac engine, that something like 400hp out of 5-6 liters ought to be 'easy' (SRT8) although it is all that torque produced by the extra displacement and pushrods, and of course that wonderful V8 rumble, that make these cars so attractive - FE be damned. It just confuses me that GM/Chrysler should be having so many problems with something like V8s, it is what they have been historically good at and the reliabilities of most of the Trucks/Suvs so equipped is TMK not that bad. I sure have had relatively good luck with them over the years. Replies to this message: louiswei (Oct 26, 2007 1:36 pm) tjc78 (Oct 26, 2007 2:17 pm)
#3489 of 6844 Re: Large sedans and V8s [captain2] by xscout Oct 26, 2007 (12:48 pm)
Replying to: captain2 (Oct 26, 2007 10:23 am) CR looks at many things to determine the color of their circles. I recall having two vehicles in a row that they gave the black circle to and I drove one for four years and the other for thirteen years never needing anything other than routine maintenance.
#3490 of 6844 Re: Large sedans and V8s [captain2] by louiswei Oct 26, 2007 (1:36 pm)
Replying to: captain2 (Oct 26, 2007 10:50 am) Torque you say? All the new generation high feature V6s from GM, Nissan, Honda and Toyota all have torques around 260 lb-ft with the 2GR-FSE at 277. It has been reported that the DI version of the 2GR is easily capable to be tuned to deliver around 350 HP. At that rating I wouldn't be surprise to the the torque to be around 300 lb-ft.   V8 rumble eh? Go try Nissan's VQ35. Want a high screaming V6? Honda has that taken care of. Don't like both but want ultimate refinement? Toyota's 2GR is the one for you. With cases like these, I just don't see the point of "low feature" V8s anymore. Replies to this message: tjc78 (Oct 26, 2007 2:17 pm)
#3491 of 6844 Re: Large sedans and V8s [louiswei] by tjc78 Oct 26, 2007 (2:17 pm)
Replying to: louiswei (Oct 26, 2007 1:36 pm) "I just don't see the point of "low feature" V8s anymore"   They are a selling point. The old mine is bigger than yours theory. There are several people who just don't realize what a modern V6 is capable of. Just look back through this discussion. It has come up plenty of times. The V8 does have one advantage over the modern V6s: low end torque. I will always contend that the V6s spool up faster and its a wash.... but different strokes. The FE penalty for the V8 doesn't make up for its benefit IMO.   "Don't like both but want ultimate refinement? Toyota's 2GR is the one for you"   Absolutely
#3492 of 6844 Why purchase a Kia Amanti by djm2 Oct 27, 2007 (2:25 am)
Hi All:    A 2007 Kia Amanti with the following options, (packages); ---Gl Pkg.,KP Pkg., SR Pkg., & EC Pkg. has an MSRP of $31,575, INVOICE of $28,550 and a TMV, (less $1,000 rebate), of $28,346    QUESTION: ---- You can purchase an XLE - V6 Toyota Camry for almost the same amount, and have a better resale value after three (3) years of ownership. Why purchase the Kia Amanti????? Please educate me!!!!!    Best regards. ----- Dwayne Replies to this message: derrelhgreen (Oct 27, 2007 5:11 am) jaymagic (Oct 27, 2007 8:56 am) joe97 (Oct 27, 2007 9:03 am) djm2 (Oct 28, 2007 2:55 am) joe97 (Oct 28, 2007 6:51 am) and 33 more... alexstore (Oct 28, 2007 11:30 am)
#3493 of 6844 Why purchase a Kia Amanti ? [djm2] by derrelhgreen Oct 27, 2007 (5:11 am)
Replying to: djm2 (Oct 27, 2007 2:25 am) Dwayne, your question should be: Why consider the Kia Amanti at all? Is it as good as the fully loaded Azera which has approximately the same MSRP even when equipped with the extra cost Powered Pearl White finish at $200 extra, but can be purchased for approximately $2K less than the Kia Amanti.   The Kia probably does suffers more than the Azera when it comes to resale value.   You are most likely correct when you talk about the better resale value of the XLE Camry after three years, BUT remember this: You must live with that Camry for those three years! I'm hearing that most T's are not as dependable as they once were. Also, I do not believe that the new Camry will run as well as the Azera, nor is it as nice to begin with.   Your choice for sure. It is entirely up to you.

You are here: Forums Sedans Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison