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Mainstream Large Sedans Comparison

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Re: Why Purchase an Azera? [captain2] by allmet33
Oct 26, 2007 (4:36 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 25, 2007 1:39 pm)

LOL If I do anything with the car, it may be turning it over to one of my daugthers as they will be of driving age by then. Of course, that depends on what condition the car is in at that time.
 
Then again, I am toying with the idea of possibly trading it in on the new Genesis when they finally hit the showrooms. It's a hard choice because I really do love my Azera (not to mention, it's paid for too). Living with no car note is SWEET!!!
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Re: Why Purchase an Azera? [allmet33] by jaymagic
Oct 26, 2007 (7:39 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Oct 26, 2007 4:36 am)

Just rolled over 20K on my 07 Azera. Not ready for brakes yet, but I am curious about the ceramic pads. Perhaps you could throw some info about them into the Azera Service thread. I also find it interesting how many people that hit this group regularly are using synthetic oil (me too), regardless of which car we bought. I wonder how much being a little more car crazy drives up the percentages that use the syn stuff?
 
Just did another drive (Denver-KC). Got 29+MPG at a fairly steady 75+ speed, so not quite in the Avalon category. I would have expected about 30-31 under similar circumstance (based on my old AV). But boy, is it a nice ride, and I do like the ESC (electronic stability control) on the Azera. But, I had the VSC on my Avalon, too.
 
I have a good friend back in KC that has an 06 Chry 300. He will not be appearing on this forum to discuss the merits of his purchase. Although under warranty, it has been in for transmission problems, numerous squeaks and rattles, and a broken trunk lock. Other than that, he likes the looks, lol.
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Re: Why Purchase an Azera? [jaymagic] by allmet33
Oct 26, 2007 (8:50 am)
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Replying to: jaymagic (Oct 26, 2007 7:39 am)

20K miles...nah, you shouldn't need brakes. I had to replace mine at about 35K miles (fronts). The rears needed to be replaced at about 39K miles. I think these wear more evenly than on past cars because of the ESC employing the rear brakes when turns are too aggressive to keep the car on track. As soon as I heard the sensor squealing, I didn't hesitate and changed 'em out.
 
The ceramic pads just do a better job of keeping brake dust off the wheels and they last a bit longer than the semi-metallic ones too. I had used them on my Sonata and they never proved to be a problem. Some folks will tell you that they will tear the rotors up. They can, but you would have to be doing some extreme driving to make that happen.
 
I only paid $24 for the rear ceramic brake pads from an internet store Rock Auto Auto Parts If I recall, the front ceramic pads were like around $40 for the set.
 
Replacing them was a snap...took longer to jack the car up and remove the wheel than it did to loosen the caliper, swap the pads and put the caliper back on!
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Large sedans and V8s by captain2
Oct 26, 2007 (10:23 am)
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jaymajic's comment about his friend and his apparent problems with his 300 (300C I'm guessing), also reminds me that the Impala SS has also achieved the infamous 'black circle' from CR and might also indicate that these 'new' RWD V8 Aussie models (like the GTO) be approached with caution. Both companies have been producing small block V8s like this for years and years - but 'black circle' ratings tend to happen with reliability/engine issues. Makes no sense, unless we are having a replay of those famous problems Cadillac had back in the earlier 90s with V8-6-4 or for some reason, GM can't produce a multi spd. tranny that'll handle the extra torque. Anybody shed some light on what kind of problems folks are having, because the V6 models seem to be doing better? This is the most logical competition for things like the Genesis, but it sure beginning to sound like 'Detroit' will be leaving the door wide open - again!
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Re: Large sedans and V8s [captain2] by captain2
Oct 26, 2007 (10:33 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 26, 2007 10:23 am)

PS another possibility - CR is intentionally finding things to gripe about because the FE of the V8s isn't exactly politically correct these days.
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Re: Large sedans and V8s [captain2] by louiswei
Oct 26, 2007 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 26, 2007 10:23 am)

Unless the V8 is over 340HP I don't see much point choosing a V8 over V6 now-a-day.
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Re: Large sedans and V8s [louiswei] by captain2
Oct 26, 2007 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Oct 26, 2007 10:35 am)

louis - you would think that if you can rather easily get 300hp out of a 3.5 liter Toyota engine or Cadillac engine, that something like 400hp out of 5-6 liters ought to be 'easy' (SRT8) although it is all that torque produced by the extra displacement and pushrods, and of course that wonderful V8 rumble, that make these cars so attractive - FE be damned. It just confuses me that GM/Chrysler should be having so many problems with something like V8s, it is what they have been historically good at and the reliabilities of most of the Trucks/Suvs so equipped is TMK not that bad. I sure have had relatively good luck with them over the years.
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Re: Large sedans and V8s [captain2] by xscout
Oct 26, 2007 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 26, 2007 10:23 am)

CR looks at many things to determine the color of their circles. I recall having two vehicles in a row that they gave the black circle to and I drove one for four years and the other for thirteen years never needing anything other than routine maintenance.
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Re: Large sedans and V8s [captain2] by louiswei
Oct 26, 2007 (1:36 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Oct 26, 2007 10:50 am)

Torque you say? All the new generation high feature V6s from GM, Nissan, Honda and Toyota all have torques around 260 lb-ft with the 2GR-FSE at 277. It has been reported that the DI version of the 2GR is easily capable to be tuned to deliver around 350 HP. At that rating I wouldn't be surprise to the the torque to be around 300 lb-ft.
 
V8 rumble eh? Go try Nissan's VQ35. Want a high screaming V6? Honda has that taken care of. Don't like both but want ultimate refinement? Toyota's 2GR is the one for you. With cases like these, I just don't see the point of "low feature" V8s anymore.

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