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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3320 of 6854 Re: 2008 TAURUS [chikoo]
Sep 19, 2007 (7:10 am)
i think ther Duratec was originally designed by Porsche, believe it or not, back in the 90s when Porsche contemplated more front/mid engine cars. Ford bought it, took a lot of those costly things that made it an engine something good enough for a Porsche out of it and we got what we got. Sure it is possible that even the Vanquish might start with this base block[s]/geomotries, but the thought of any AM (or Porsche) engine even being any near as rough or noisy as what would conceivably go into those cars must mean that you think that just because the DT has the same number of valves as a toyota 2GR, and the same number of cylinders, and (on the surface of it) something called 'VVT'(which is quite a bit LESS in Ford guise than it is in Toyota's version), that is is the same. The Ford version of this engine is nowhere as sophisticated (or efficient and refined) as those engines of the same size by other mfgrs. - I simply can't imagine anybody not feeling and hearing the difference after only one simple 'run-up' thru the gears.
#3321 of 6854 Re: 2008 TAURUS [chikoo]
Sep 19, 2007 (8:26 am)
yes, Mazda's take on the DT seems to be better than Ford's, read somewhere that it has less to do with the engine itself than it does with how it's mounted in the chassis.
#3322 of 6854 Lucerne w/new V6?
Sep 21, 2007 (6:27 am)
Anyone know why the Lucerne is still not offered with GM's newest V6 and six speed automatic. Saturn has had it for a year and even the new malibu offers it as an option. Since Buick is offered up as a premium brand (at least compared to chevy) why is GM withholding this engine/transmission option. They could at least offer the six speed with the current 3800 series engine assuming the two are compatible. What gives?
#3323 of 6854 Re: Lucerne w/new V6? [kcflyer]
Sep 21, 2007 (7:28 am)
6 speeds is only needed if you have a tiny engine with no torque. Squeezing out 1mpg more on the highway for $2000+ more in repairs over the normal transmission isn't wise.
You can have your 6 speed gadget. You can also have a $4000 repair bill versus my $1800.
#3324 of 6854 Re: Lucerne w/new V6? [kcflyer]
Sep 21, 2007 (8:12 am)
Probably because the new 3.6L V6 with 260hp + would make the NorthStar V8 pointless.
#3325 of 6854 Re: Lucerne w/new V6? [plekto]
Sep 21, 2007 (11:51 am)
while it is true that any 'ancient' pushrod setup will usually achieve its rated torque at lower rpms, the GM 3.8 is still rated lower than all? the OHC engines here and the Lucerne is one of the least likely vehicle to be able to maintain real highway speeds on even semi flat terrain - a combination of an overweight vehicle, overly tall gearing, low relative hp and torque - all some pretty steep prices to pay for potentially low tranny repair bills - don't you think? The Lucerne with the 3.6 would be a worthy competitor in this group (or the Lacrosse which is sold this way) - I have a sneaking suspicsion that the the only reason why we still have the 3.8s (and you 4 sp-d trannies) has more to do with UAW contracts than anything else.
#3326 of 6854 Re: Lucerne w/new V6? [kcflyer]
Sep 21, 2007 (11:56 am)
I keep reading about a new RWD Lucerne replacement for 2009, so my guess is that GM just does not want to spend the $$ to put in the new engine and transmission. They would rather put limited resources into the new model and not the old one. I have driven a CXS last week and it drive pretty darn good, even with the smaller V8 and 4 speed tansmission. There are some pretty good deals on the 2007's left over and other than the lane departure and blind spot systems there appear to be no changes for 2008, except that you cannot get the V8 in the CXL any more.
#3327 of 6854 Re: Lucerne w/new V6? [hardhawk]
Sep 21, 2007 (12:27 pm)
this is one that I hadn't thought about, those "Aussie" GM platforms, and the fact that these types of things represent what Detriot does best. Now if only oil can stay below $100, they might actually find a few buyers. But even then not with these antiquated 4 spd trannies.
#3328 of 6854 Re: Lucerne w/new V6? [plekto]
Sep 21, 2007 (12:31 pm)
Check out the Lexus LS...8 speed tranny and/or CVT..389 hp and loads of torque...ultimate in lux and tech...no gadgets here performs like a V-12...also hybrid with 438 hp
#3329 of 6854 Re: Lucerne w/new V6? 
Sep 21, 2007 (12:42 pm)
Would hardly call an LS a "mainstream sedan". Very nice but how much - 75K??