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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3313 of 6854 Re: 2008 TAURUS [captain2]
Sep 17, 2007 (7:21 am)
You know I think we're splitting hairs on this. If you scroll up you'll see how many reliable miles some of my family has gotten out of the Ford engines.
It's kind of like comparing fan bases for USC,LSU, Florida, Nebraska, and Texas. Okay one polling service says Texas fans are the "best" while another says something else. In reality they're all good, and that's the way I view most engines.
#3314 of 6854 Re: 2008 TAURUS [bobber1]
Sep 17, 2007 (8:13 am)
don't believe it's 'splitting hairs' at all - I personally would spend my money on a 'bad' car with a superior engine before a 'good' car with something less than that. Back a few years back that is why I spent a spent several thousand more on my Avalon than the Five Hundred - a car that I really kinda liked until I turned the key. Don't know if it would be the same today with the 260 hp Taurus, although I'm not a big fan of razor blades and overly 'soft' suspensions.
#3315 of 6854 Re: 2008 TAURUS [captain2]
Sep 17, 2007 (11:44 am)
as one my friends told me the other day
the Duratec is the basic unit for the engine in the Aston Martin V12 Vanquish. Read any article ever written abou that car and you'll see it has been named one of the best supercar engines ever. Powerful as hell, and with a sound almost nothing else can touch. Yes, it is based on the same engine in the Taurus, but when Aston smacked 2 of them together and did its own tweaks, it goes from sedan to supercar engine just that quickly.
#3316 of 6854 Re: 2008 TAURUS [chikoo]
Sep 17, 2007 (4:31 pm)
Methinks it might have something to do with what is called "finesse".
#3317 of 6854 Re: 2008 TAURUS [lightfootfl]
Sep 17, 2007 (6:10 pm)
exactly the point I was trying to make. Some folks have a bad vibe (pun intended) about the Duratec 3.0 as tested on the Taurus. But that same engines is used in the Mazda6, the Jag, etc and each ones is so different. The V6 in the Mazda6 has the same block but everything else is different and revs very smoothly. I will agree that Honda engines are smoother but not so much that you will regret owning the Mazda6 Duratec v6.
#3318 of 6854 Re: 2008 TAURUS [chikoo]
Sep 18, 2007 (8:25 am)
After driven the Toyota V6, Honda V6 and Nissan V6 I wouldn't call the V6 in Mazda6 "finesse" either. It was tuned differently by Mazda but is still sluggish comparing to the benchmarks.
#3319 of 6854 Re: 2008 TAURUS [louiswei]
Sep 18, 2007 (1:07 pm)
you must be referring to the old 5-speed automatic transmission. That was sluggish.
#3320 of 6854 Re: 2008 TAURUS [chikoo]
Sep 19, 2007 (7:10 am)
i think ther Duratec was originally designed by Porsche, believe it or not, back in the 90s when Porsche contemplated more front/mid engine cars. Ford bought it, took a lot of those costly things that made it an engine something good enough for a Porsche out of it and we got what we got. Sure it is possible that even the Vanquish might start with this base block[s]/geomotries, but the thought of any AM (or Porsche) engine even being any near as rough or noisy as what would conceivably go into those cars must mean that you think that just because the DT has the same number of valves as a toyota 2GR, and the same number of cylinders, and (on the surface of it) something called 'VVT'(which is quite a bit LESS in Ford guise than it is in Toyota's version), that is is the same. The Ford version of this engine is nowhere as sophisticated (or efficient and refined) as those engines of the same size by other mfgrs. - I simply can't imagine anybody not feeling and hearing the difference after only one simple 'run-up' thru the gears.
#3321 of 6854 Re: 2008 TAURUS [chikoo]
Sep 19, 2007 (8:26 am)
yes, Mazda's take on the DT seems to be better than Ford's, read somewhere that it has less to do with the engine itself than it does with how it's mounted in the chassis.
#3322 of 6854 Lucerne w/new V6?
Sep 21, 2007 (6:27 am)
Anyone know why the Lucerne is still not offered with GM's newest V6 and six speed automatic. Saturn has had it for a year and even the new malibu offers it as an option. Since Buick is offered up as a premium brand (at least compared to chevy) why is GM withholding this engine/transmission option. They could at least offer the six speed with the current 3800 series engine assuming the two are compatible. What gives?