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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3075 of 6854 Re: Impact of the new "Taurus" [robbieg]
Aug 27, 2007 (12:07 pm)
"I leave out the Chryler 300 because they were trendy and they are now "out"."
Here are the top 10 selling sedans for May, 2007: (X means not a large sedan!)
Only the Impala, Charger, and 300 qualify as this forum's mainstream sedans: It should also be noted that fleet sales for Chrysler were down for that month, so don't attribute it all to Hertz, Avis, and Enterprise.
We'll have to see how the Taurus does in the future listings.
X1. Toyota Camry May 2007 Sales: 43,273
2. Chevrolet Impala May 2007 Sales: 35,665
X3. Honda Accord May 2007 Sales: 31,476
X4. Nissan Altima May 2007 Sales: 23,159
X5. Ford Fusion May 2007 Sales: 14,279
X6. BMW 3 Series May 2007 Sales: 13,930
7. Dodge Charger May 2007 Sales: 13,463
X8. Pontiac Grand Prix May 2007 Sales: 12,230
X9. Hyundai Sonata May 2007 Sales: 12,147
10. Chrysler 300 May 2007 Sales: 11,687
#3076 of 6854 Re: Impact of the new "Taurus" [smithed]
Aug 27, 2007 (1:03 pm)
In an attempt to clarify my "trendy" comment. Chrysler tends to take bigger styling risks than GM or Ford. This is probably a good thing. However, in my opinion the downside is that their designs don't hold up as well. For example look at BMW's and Audi's, their designs evolve and you can always tell a BMW is a BMW and an Audi is an Audi. The same can not be said for a Chrysler. Basically, Chrysler takes bigger risks which I equate to being "trendy". Unless Chryler quits taking risks, and I am not saying that they should, their designs, in my opinion, become stale quicker as a car progresses in the model cycle than other cars.
I guess that the sales figures for most cars over their model run trend downward. I am just guessing that the sales figures for the Chrysler 300 (both the current model and the prior 300m) trend down a little quicker due to its cutting edge/ trendier design.
In short, the 300 made a splash when it was launched but it no longer makes the same splash.
#3077 of 6854 Re: Impact of the new "Taurus" [robbieg]
Aug 27, 2007 (1:25 pm)
Actually...what opened my mind was my 2002 Sonata that I purchased after my 96 Camry got totalled. Camry...was a great car, can't complain about it in any way. The Sonata...I was leery at first, but within the 1st year of ownership...I was impressed. 4 years and 105K miles later...it was traded in for my Azera. The fact of not having a single problem with my Sonata definitely had me looking at Hyundai for the next purchase.
I understand what you're saying about the wild card thing. If Hyundai keeps on raising their own bar towards the likes of Honda and Toyota, it won't be long before Hyundai is thrown in with those two in casual conversation.
However, for a lot of the general public to not think highly of Hyundai products...there sure are a lot of them on the roads right now (the Azera & Veracruz not withstanding).
#3078 of 6854 Re: Impact of the new "Taurus" [allmet33]
Aug 27, 2007 (2:53 pm)
While I am thrilled with my Azzy, I would have looked at the Taurus and its AWD, if it had been around when I was looking. If I could have bought "American", I probably would have. Since my first car was a 59 Ford and the second a 65 Mustang, I have been a FoMoCo guy for 50 years.
I would have wanted just a few more ponies in the Taurus, but it definitely would have gotten a look. But, in the end, I think the Azera just has too much to offer. Like others, my first "non luxury" choice night have been another Avalon, but the difference in price just was too big for the slight advantage.
#3079 of 6854 Re: Impact of the new "Taurus" [smithed]
Aug 27, 2007 (4:17 pm)
I would be willing to bet that lesss than 20% of the Impala's sold are "SS's".....Most are the small 8 and 6 variety.....Less that 12% of the Mustangs sold are GT's
#3080 of 6854 Re: Impact of the new "Taurus" 
Aug 27, 2007 (5:38 pm)
What "smaller" V8 are you referring to?
I thought the engines in this generation Impala were the:
3.5L 211hp V6
3.9L 233hp V6
5.3L 303hp V8
#3081 of 6854 Re: Impact of the new "Taurus" [robbieg]
Aug 28, 2007 (4:38 am)
For the most part the Hyundai Azera wins buyers over by being a good value in comparison to their competitors. (people buy Sonatas and Sante Fes for the same reason) When you looked for a new car, you had an open mind and considered a Hyundai and bought a Hyundai because it was a better buy price-wise.
If I'm not mistaken, I believe you just described, "DUH"
Rich in FL.
#3082 of 6854 Re: Impact of the new "Taurus" [richdag]
Aug 28, 2007 (4:43 am)
#3083 of 6854 Re: Impact of the new "Taurus" [thegraduate]
Aug 28, 2007 (5:48 am)
You are correct...As before, less that 20% are SS's
Even the 3.9 Flex Fuel model is anemic for that size of car.
Also remember...no ABS, no stability control, no traction control and only 4 airbags....
#3084 of 6854 Re: Impact of the new "Taurus" [robbieg]
Aug 28, 2007 (11:26 am)
"If price weren't a factor, I am sure most people would be driving an Avalon." Not necessarily so. Same for Santa Fe and Sonata.
Price was not a factor for me. I narrowed it to Lexus ES 350, Infiniti G35, Acura TL, Avalon Ltd and Azera Ltd. Took me six months, much research and many test drives to decide, but I always came back to the Azera. I had a Camry XLE V6.
The Avalon did not have as much or you had to get optional packages, limiting selection and further increasing the price. Also, the ride was no better and the interion and exterior leave a lot to desire.
The ES 350 was better, but still just a Camry with more high priced luxury items on it. Still got more luxury and safety that I wanted from the Azera.
Actualy, the Lexus GS 350 was the only vehicle I thought was comparable to the Azera for what I needed, but not worth $50,000 especially when looking at the reviews and reliability.
You are right that many people will not consider a Hyundai or some other makes that are really good. I know people who will not buy anything other than American makes, even though they have more problems with them.