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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3062 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [cobrazera]
Aug 27, 2007 (4:03 am)
"I have to assume that the Chrysler numbers you cite are the SRT8 versions of the 300 and Dodge cars; they are very quick cars"
The SRT8s (300, Charger, Magnum, Grand Cherokee) are very quick with those 425 HP 6.1 liter Hemis. A friend traded his 300C for a 300C SRT. The difference: The regular 300C (5.7 liter 340 HP Hemi) has a more luxurious ride, the SRT is more stiffly suspended. He liked the ride in the 300C better, but the SRT is faster and corners better. The SRT versions carry a gas guzzler tax. I would have to say the 300 with the 3.5 liter V6 and the 300C are "mainstream sedans". The SRT is closer to a street legal race car.
#3063 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [smithed]
Aug 27, 2007 (4:22 am)
The Chrysler 6 and the small 8's are very anemic...Chevy is going to a gunfight with a knife in the Impala SS..Mainstream sedans are sedans....the only difference is the power, suspension and options...The SS is the top of the line Impala and it pales against the other top of the line "sedans" in the group...it's very much like the "racer boy" Monte Carlo SS...All bark and no bite....
#3064 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE 
Aug 27, 2007 (4:51 am)
While I am the first to knock the Impala for various reasons it is a quick machine. What other vehicle in this group besides the Chrysler will beat it? My Avalon is a couple ticks behind in 0 - 60, I am willing to make that tradeoff because I feel the Avalon is a better all around vehicle. However, to say the SS is "all bark and no bite" is wrong. It will smoke a lot of "sports" cars in a straight line, now when things get curvy that all changes as all that weight on the front wheels isn't good.
#3065 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [thegraduate]
Aug 27, 2007 (4:56 am)
I'm sorry, you're right...I was thinking of the last Accord.
So the Accord has 5 more ponies, but still...lacks the interior space the Azera has.
#3066 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [allmet33]
Aug 27, 2007 (7:24 am)
But the bottom line is...
The Accord was never intended to be an Azera competitor just like even Sonata can be classified as a large car it is not out to compete with other large cars.
Although size is a factor to classify cars but it is not the most important. The most important factor is a car's intended market. Currently Honda is still selling the Accord as a midsizer and aiming straight at the Camry and Altima.
#3067 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [louiswei]
Aug 27, 2007 (7:30 am)
You are really making this more difficult than it has to be.
How bout we just end this discussion for the sake everyone is going to have their own point of view and none of them will change reality.
#3068 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [allmet33]
Aug 27, 2007 (7:38 am)
Good idea - let's get back on topic.
#3069 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [allmet33]
Aug 27, 2007 (7:39 am)
Actually I was done with this discussion long ago until someone kept bringing up that the Accord is this HP less than the Azera or this cubic feet less than the Azera...
Now I am done.
#3070 of 6854 Impact of the new "Taurus"
Aug 27, 2007 (8:04 am)
In an attempt to get this back to large cars. Here we go. In this segment, in my opinion the Avalon is the top dog because it so close to being a Lexus. That being said, it is more expensive than some of the other cars and some people just won't/can't pay that much for a car. Next down the list is the Lucerne. I kind of like it, provided it does not have a column mounted shifter and it comes equipped with the chrome rims. That being said, I fell that it is priced a little too high. Next in line is the new Taurus. Again, it may be priced a little too high, but we will have to see how they sell. I have always liked/not been offended by the looks of the 500/Taurus and now with the new engine I think it is a pretty good car. At the bottom of the list is the Impala. If you exclude the SS which in my opinion is in a different category, the Impala is budget transportation. People buy them, at least the people that I know who have them, because they are cheap and big. The wild card is Hyudai Azerra. The reason for this is that some people just won't consider a Hyudai. With all of this in mind, here is my question, will the Taurus steal sales from the Lucerne because it is a pretty nice car and less expensive than the Lucerne? Or are Lucerne buyers, Buick snobs and won't consider a lowyly Ford?
I leave out the Chryler 300 because they were trendy and they are now "out". I am sorry a Maxima buyer won't be caught dead in a Chevy, Ford or Buick.
#3071 of 6854 Re: Impact of the new "Taurus" [robbieg]
Aug 27, 2007 (8:22 am)
The fact that some people won't consider a Hyundai doesn't make the Azera a wild card. If you actually go take a test drive and compare the Azera with the Lucerne...the Azera wins hands down. The engine on the Lucerene can't even keep up unless you pony up the extra money and get the CXL w/V-8 to compete power-wise. The V-6 in the Lucerne is weak and lethargic (it's not even producing 200 hp). Whereas the V-8 is just producing a bit more than the 263 hp in the Azera. Bottom line...you would have to spend more on a Lucerne to even compete with a fully loaded Azera.
You're right...the SS should be in a different category because it has the V-8. Honestly, it should be thrown in with the 300C/Charger R/T and then you would have to throw the Lucerne CXS in as well, even though it can't hold a candle power-wise to any of them. So...what exactly is the benefit of the Buick???
I will agree that the newer Taurus presents an argument because before, the biggest complaint was the lack of power (Hhhmmmmmmmmmm...maybe Buick needs to take heed of this one). Now that the V-6 powerplant is more in line with all the other offerings in it's class...the Taurus stands to do better. Maybe...if Buick did the same thing with the Lucerne and gave it a stronger V-6 powerplant...you wouldn't even be asking this question.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Lucerne hater, I actually considered one before I bought my Azera. However...the Azera won me over with the substantial power over the Lucerne, not to mention the warranty (I plan on keeping it for a very long time). I just didn't want to pay $30K+ on a Lucerne to get what I paid $26K for on my Azera.