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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3045 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [tjc78]
Aug 25, 2007 (6:22 am)
"Nissan's 3.7 V6 is putting out 330 HP and Toyota's 2GR-FSE engine is rated at 315 hp. Both putting out more power and better FE than your 5.3 V8. As for smoothness I'll put the 2GR in any flavor (the tamer 2GR-FE in my Avalon or the FSE from the IS350) against ANY detroit V8. "
I realize you are responding to Priggly and I am not really up on the Chevy SS, but I think we all sometimes start to compare apples and oranges here. The IS350 is RWD, weighs about 3500# and is about 20" shorter than the Lucerne. Also considerably more expensive than the CXS with any comparable equipment.
Have not yet had a chance to drive the new Avalon, but it is on my short list as the price is certainly more comparable and if it has anything near the quality of my wife's '02 Camry XLE will be a very nice car.
We all have different needs. Whatever I buy will not be used much on a daily basis as it will be my retirement car and used primarily for longer trips. Ride, quiteness, an easy to use NAV system, a good sound system, and trunk space are all considerations. City FE, not so much as we will continue to use the Camry (only has 45,000 miles on it) for banging around town.
While I would RATHER buy an American car, it is not so much a "Detroit" vs. Japanese thing as it is getting what will satisfy our needs at a reasonable price. Hell, if I had the money I'd buy a Lexus 430.
#3046 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [tjc78]
Aug 25, 2007 (1:40 pm)
It's not simply a matter of raw HP, the V-8 in the SS is unquestionably smoother than the cars you mentioned. You simply cannot compare a six cylinder motor to an eight.
#3047 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE 
Aug 25, 2007 (1:44 pm)
FYI I have indeed driven the Chrysler with the Hemi. The small block 5.3l V-8 in the SS lacks nothing in comparison. 0-60 in 5.6 sec and a top end of 154 mph is "slow" in your book? Hardly.
#3048 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [allmet33]
Aug 25, 2007 (3:35 pm)
Now, like you said, the Optima would be better suited in a comparison with the newer Elantras.
Without taking up too much space here and hijacking this forum, I was talking about the mechanical differences between the Sonata and the Optima looking from underneath both cars, which I had the opportunity.
#3049 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [priggly]
Aug 26, 2007 (7:45 am)
Impala 5.7 at best by the pros., not your everyday hackers
Chrysler 300 4.9
Dodge Challenger 4.5
Dodge Charger 5.0
new Pontiac G8 (6.0L) 5.7
Pontiac GP (5.3L) 6.0
Also FE on the Impala SS is 14/21....
And as mentioned in another reply, there are many Euro and Asian 6's that are killers....
#3050 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [thegraduate]
Aug 26, 2007 (8:52 am)
Get the Accord out of this discussion. This is about large cars, like Lucerne, Avalon, Taurus, Impala, Azera over and over again.
#3051 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [priggly]
Aug 26, 2007 (9:41 am)
You must have never driven a 2GR from Toyota. At 5000 RPM you don't even know the engine is spinning. Ask other Avalon, ES350 owners and I don't think that many will doubt what I say. There is no doubt that the 5.3 V8 is a nice engine with more low end torque than my 3.5. However, to put a blanket statement that you can't compare a 6 to an 8 just isn't true. Todays modern V6's are amazing and don't need electronic trickery (DOD) to acheive good MPG.
#3052 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [jimmy2x]
Aug 26, 2007 (9:49 am)
I was really only talking engines... you are right the IS has no place here. I was only using it to show what V6's are capable of today. (BTW wish Yota would drop the more powerful 2GR-FSE in the Avalon)
If you are driving a Camry now I suspect you will like the Avalon. Nice ride, tons of room and great economy for the power and size. My '06 is my 2nd Avalon and 3rd Yota in a row and they have all been fabulous. You mention trunk space as a concern and you may be a bit disappointed there, the Avalon's trunk is not huge. Although, I recently got 3 30" bar stools in mine with no problem.
"Hell, if I had the money I'd buy a Lexus 430"
#3053 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [tjc78]
Aug 26, 2007 (10:37 am)
sorry Tjc here where I disagree with you. More Torque in lighter vehicle translates to better 0-60 acceleration as well as 30-50.
Power delivery is better and smoother in V8 vs V6
#3054 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [alexstore]
Aug 26, 2007 (11:06 am)
You can disagree... I have no problem with that but the days of a V8 being so superior to the V6's is in the past. You should know you have a Maxima with the VQ right?
FWIW the Impala SS is heavier than an Avalon (even the Limited).