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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3020 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [jimmy2x]
Aug 23, 2007 (1:49 pm)
The graphs above show a lot, though.
4400rpm for both engines. This is reasonably the most anyone will push their car, ever, even during really hard launches. 3400 is actually more reasonable.(they used to rate the engines at 3800rpm a decade ago, which is more realistic).
V6: 3000rpm - 125HP/225lb-ft.
4400rpm - 180HP/220lb-ft.
V8: 3000rpm - 150HP/270lb-ft.
4000rom - 250HP/295lb-ft.
And this isn't the miserable 3.8L. Closer to 100HP at 3000rpm - it's a very sluggish engine at low RPMs, especially when pulling as heavy a vehicle as the Lucerne.
#3021 of 6854 2008 Honda Accord
Aug 24, 2007 (8:59 am)
Just read in latest Autoweek that 2008 Accord will be considered a large sedan. Should/could the 08 Accord be added to this board? It will certainly be more mainstream in sales volume than any car listed in the heading of this board.
#3022 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [xrunner2]
Aug 24, 2007 (9:07 am)
Let's see how it goes. A day or two ago I said let's leave in the Midsize Sedans discussion because that's where its main competitors are. I don't want to add it here, too, at least not now.
#3023 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [xrunner2]
Aug 24, 2007 (10:57 am)
It would make sense as Honda has no large sedan in it's stable. The Accord would compete with the Avalon, Azera, Maxima, etc. and the the Civic would step up to compete with the Sonata, Camry, Altima and the likes.
#3024 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [allmet33]
Aug 24, 2007 (11:03 am)
Accord will remain Honda's entry in the midsize sedan class but with the larger interior it can steal some sales away from Avalon, Altima and Azera.
Civic will still be Honda's entry in compact sedans.
#3025 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [louiswei]
Aug 24, 2007 (11:06 am)
Leave the Accord where it is... its too funny reading the Fusion VS Accord war that goes on in the midsize comparo. When is Honda going to come out with an answer to the Avalon and Azera? Seems to me they are missing out. The RL is really priced too high to compete with Av/Azera (IMO).
#3026 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [louiswei]
Aug 24, 2007 (11:11 am)
Uhhhhh...really, it's the interior space that determines what class a vehicle goes into.
So how can you state that it will remain their mid-size entry when someone else is stating it will be considered a large sedan for 2008???
Have you noticed, the Civic has been getting bigger and bigger with each passing model year? Eventually...the Fit will grown from sub-compact to compact.
#3027 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [tjc78]
Aug 24, 2007 (11:13 am)
Exactly why they need to bump the Accord up. Don't see why it couldn't be a worthy competitor in the large sedan class.
#3028 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [allmet33]
Aug 24, 2007 (11:24 am)
Yes, the Civic has grown but so have its competitors. It's not like Civic is the only one in the compact sedan category getting larger, everybody is. Don't forget technically speaking Sonata is a large car too, wouldn't that make Azera kind of irrelevant? Also, Accord is a large car only when it's without the moonroof, with the moonroof Accord is again a midsizer.
Today's compact sedan (class) is yesterday's midsizer (size) and today's sub-compact (class) is 10 years ago's compact (size). This is the trend throughout the auto industry, not just Honda.
With Accord big enough to be a large car but also not that big to be excluded totally from midsize it gives Honda a weapon to attack both markets. Honda really doesn't need a dedicated large sedan because 1. the market is really not growing and is small compare to midsize and compact 2. Honda is really not that big enough to support another low volume sedan in its lineup. I can see Honda to field a Genesis competitor in the future with SH-AWD but then that'll make the Acura TL/RL totally pointless.
#3029 of 6854 Re: 2008 Honda Accord [louiswei]
Aug 24, 2007 (11:33 am)
I'm not denying the fact that other makes have growing compacts, but Honda is the only one without a large sedan model. By the way, have you seen the Sentra or the Corrolla lately? Don't look much bigger than previous models. Civic...oh, it's definitely larger than the previous model.
Actually, it was pointed out that the Sonata isn't a large sedan. It was brought up in here before and shot down because someone pointed something out about something or other, can't remember exactly what it was.
Azera...irrelevant? Yeah, right! The Sonata can't touch the Azera!
Again, Honda is the only one without a legitimate large sedan competitor. Honestly, it sounds like this talk is making some folks nervous!
I say...either push the Accord up into the large sedan class, or...use the RL and make a Honda equivalent to compete in that class. Either way, Honda will be competing eventually.