Last post on Jul 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#3009 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [dh1870]
Aug 23, 2007 (3:40 am)
Buick is trying hard to change its image, so I think the future will yield slightly firmer riding better handling cars. I will say that the Lucerne is nice but, why would you want one with the 3.8 when you can get the Avalon or Azera that has more power with the same or better MPG. I would give them both a ride. I think you will be impressed. The Azera is a great value (I think some rebates right now too) while the Avalon can get pricey. I have an '06 Avalon XLS that has been flawless in 14K miles and feel it is a good balance of ride, power, and handling (no sports sedan though). It stickered for 34K with most of the bells and whistles, the Limited can get to 38K with everything.
#3010 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [tjc78]
Aug 23, 2007 (3:50 am)
> why would you want one with the 3.8 when you can get the
The Lucerne has the Northstar V8 available in two of the three models if you believe the 3800 isn't powerful enough for your driving needs. The three models have three different handling feels also. You can't stereotype all three from the 3800 CX which replaces the base LeSabre level cars.
#3011 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [imidazol97]
Aug 23, 2007 (4:27 am)
IMO there is absolutely no reason to buy a V8 when the other engines in this class (2GR, VQ, Hyundai 3.8) give you essentially the same power with better MPG. Tell me this... why won't GM put the 3.6 six speed tranny in this car??? The smaller cheaper LaCrosse has it. I've said this before, the Lucerne is a very nice automobile and maybe GM's nicest looking sedan... but get rid of the 3.8 its ancient, rough and underpowered. I just can't change my feelings on this and couldn't buy a 2007 model year car that had the same running gear as my 98 Olds 88.
#3012 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [tjc78]
Aug 23, 2007 (5:59 am)
Probably because the Northstar looks mighty weak next to the 3.6L V6. 2 Extra cylinders and an extra liter of displacement buys what, 15 horsepower? Nobody would buy the V8!
#3013 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [thegraduate]
Aug 23, 2007 (6:16 am)
Good point, they would need to put the 292HP version from Caddy in. It will be in the "Super" coming out soon. The 3.6 could be standard and then the V8 could be an option in the CXS and standard on the Super. They are losing people on an otherwise nice car because of powertrain options. I know there are many people that pray to the God known as the 3800... but its time has passed.
#3014 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [tjc78]
Aug 23, 2007 (6:37 am)
There's a substantial difference in torque at 2000-2500, e.g. for the Northstar even in the Lucerne version.
As for your comments about the 3800, I find it's very competent. I don't dragrace. I don't do hotrodding around corners. To each his own, but I find it nicely competent and would replace my current one with a 3800 Series II or Series III if the need arises.
#3015 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [tjc78]
Aug 23, 2007 (7:09 am)
There is no point buying that Lucerene because the base price would be $37K. They need to at least but the 4.6L V8 320 hp engine from the new STS and XLR that comes with a 6 Speed Auto.
#3016 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [tjc78]
Aug 23, 2007 (7:12 am)
Drove the 3800 for several years in a work Bonneville - acceleration was fine but certainly a bit rough.
Have driven both the CXL with the V6 and the CXS V8 - power good for both, but the smooth powered acceleration of the V8 was much better for me and I liked the handling better.
Have driven Honda, Toyota, etc. updated V6 and certainly they are more than sufficiently powered and I suspect in a race would run rings around the V8 Buick. But of course, these are not designed for hot-rod enthusiasts.
For many of us that grew up with V8's there is something about that effortless smooth torque that a V6 cannot match. This, of course, is an "old school" thing and I can fully understand why much of the younger crowd thinks we are nuts.
#3017 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [jimmy2x]
Aug 23, 2007 (7:28 am)
"there is something about that effortless smooth torque that a V6 cannot match"
I know what you are saying and have driven my share of "old school" autos mostly full size Fords. Anyway, the newer V6's are so smooth you can't usually tell what RPM they are at anyway. My point continues to be if you can get almost equal power from a smaller more efficient motor that is the way to go, especially in a FWD.
#3018 of 6854 Re: 2007 Buick LUCERNE [tgkoenigsegg]
Aug 23, 2007 (7:35 am)
"There is no point buying that Lucerene because the base price would be $37K. "
That price is inline with the Avalon Limited and a bargain compared to some of the Luxury nameplates Buick wants to go after.
I'll give you one better, the Lacrosse Super will get the 5.3L from the Impala SS and will be cheaper than the Lucerne what sense does that make? I know that from an engineering standpoint it makes sense (same platform) but how do you market that? The flagship car gets a lesser motor.