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Re: Just wondering [luvmbooty]
by loyalbuickfan
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Jul 27, 2006 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: luvmbooty (Jul 27, 2006 8:49 am)
Yes this discussion is posted on all of the Large Sedan Forums at Edmunds. I read it at the Buick Lucerne Forum.
Each owner seems to understandably defend their personal choice as the best car.
However in what order are that person's preferences?
Mine must be it this order.
Smooth Quiet Ride, Trouble-Free, Dependable, Cloth Seating, LuxuryOptions, Smooth Engine Performance, MPG, Cost, Warranty, Resale Value.
Now mix up that list in 5 ways and you may get 5 "best " cars.
Comments?
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- #32 of 6844
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Have any of you Lucerne Bashers actually really given one a chance?
by janeandwaldo
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Jul 27, 2006 (10:55 am)
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I was just reading the post by TJC78 and I find it hard to believe he actually test drove a V8 Lucerne and compared it against an Avalon. I will not claim to be an expert on the Avalon I only know what I have read. The Avalon may have more power or feel like it has more power I won't deny that as I have not driven one.
In the Lucerne forums however I have heard Avalon owners complain about vibrations, engine noise, transmission trouble, bad suspension.
I'll tell you what I challenge any car out there to give as smooth and quiet a ride as the V8 Lucerne. I have one and I absolutely love it. I wouldn't trade it for anything. It has plenty of power for me it will light the tires anytie you ask.
I am not bashing you and don't mean this to be a slam but please to bash the Lucerne because 'you feel' the Avalon has more power is absurd. It is a great car and if people can get over their Buick Prejudice they would see how great.
91 LeSabre - Donated at 212,000 miles still running strong
97 LeSabre Limited - Still own with 165,00 miles still running strong.
06 Lucerne CXL V8 - 10,000 Miles no issues yet runs as great as the day we drove it off the lot.
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- #33 of 6844
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Re: Have any of you Lucerne Bashers actually really given one a chance? [janeandwaldo]
by loyalbuickfan
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Jul 27, 2006 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: janeandwaldo (Jul 27, 2006 10:55 am)
I could not agree more.
I am finally replacing my 1994 Park Ave. (bought new),156,000 miles and it still runs great! I will take delivery of my specially ordered New Lucerne in 3 weeks.
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Re: Have any of you Lucerne Bashers actually really given one a chance? [janeandwaldo]
by tjc78
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Jul 27, 2006 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: janeandwaldo (Jul 27, 2006 10:55 am)
I drove them back to back within 15 minutes and on the exact same course. The dealers are across the street from one another. The Av is quicker, had a better ride, the enigne was quieter, and I preferred almost everything about the car. I had someone with me who felt the same way too. Not to start a war here, but the Buick is not a new car. The Engine and trans are ancient. The Av gets way better mileage (23/31 compared to 17/25) because of the 5 speed tranny. My Avalon has not one rattle, no trans issues, vibrations, anything. The only thing I can say bad about the car is the Bridgestone tires are a little noisy. I should have gotten one with the Michelins. The Avalon forum has its share of complaints, but also a lot of praise for the car. Don't get me wrong the Lucerne is a nice car, probably one of the nicest GM's I have ever driven, but has a little way to go yet. Also, the Avalon came in with a much lower monthly payment on a three year lease for almost indentical MSRP. The residual was better and when I was looking there weren't any incentives on the Buick, (not that there was on the Av either)
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Re: Have any of you Lucerne Bashers actually really given one a chance? [tjc78]
by captain2
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Jul 27, 2006 (1:12 pm)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 27, 2006 11:35 am)
to be fair here - you are comparing FE figures of a V8 versus a state of the art V6 although the HP figures are very close - the reason why the Avalon is so much quicker and so much more economical is that it weighs substantially less and not so much to do with the number of gears in the tranny.
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Re: Have any of you Lucerne Bashers actually really given one a chance? [captain2]
by tjc78
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Jul 27, 2006 (1:39 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 27, 2006 1:12 pm)
Forgot about the weight difference, the Av is 400 lbs less. However, your point kind of proves mine. The V8 Lucerne is just a new design with an old powertrain, whereas the Toyota design is much more modern and efficient.
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Re: Large Sedans for Under $30,000 Comparision [luvmbooty]
by buzz123
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Jul 27, 2006 (1:57 pm)
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Replying to: luvmbooty (Jul 26, 2006 10:35 pm)
You're right, that is an interesting difference between what JD Powers and Consumer Reports say. I guess they're both right. My Malibu was fine for the first 3 months. Actually I think it was fine for the first couple of years, but after that it was one thing after another, after another, after another...........
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- #38 of 6844
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Re: Large Sedans for Under $30,000 Comparision [captain2]
by buzz123
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Jul 27, 2006 (1:58 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 27, 2006 7:37 am)
Yes, I am enjoying my XL! Glad you're enjoying your Touring! You're right, it is a wonderful car!
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- #39 of 6844
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Re: Large Sedans for Under $30,000 Comparision [luvmbooty]
by buzz123
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Jul 27, 2006 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: luvmbooty (Jul 27, 2006 8:55 am)
That's a really good question. I actually looked at the Accord and Camry first. However, I have a bad back and the seats in those cars just weren't comfortable enough for me. That's what sold me on the Avalon. The seats are very comfortable and just right for my back. Based on my bad experience with GM and my Malibu, I just couldn't bring myself to consider any of their products. Personally, I don't like the looks of the Chrysler 300 or Dodge Charger so that eliminates those choices. I guess for me, it would come down to the Five Hundred, Azera, Sonata or Maxima. If you're taking the Avalon off the list because of price then the Maxima would probably have to come off the list for the same reason. That leaves either the Five Hundred, Azera or Sonata. Each car has its pluses and minuses so it's hard to say for sure. I think a final decision has to be based on which of the pluses and minuses are most important to each person. Since I have a bad back, the most important thing to me is comfortable seats, so that would probably be the tie breaker for me. If IIHS test scores or trunk size are most important go with the Five Hundred. If Consumer Reports ranking or the engine is most important go with the Azera/Sonata. There's really no right or wrong answer. Just what suits each person best given their particular set of circumstances.
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Re: Have any of you Lucerne Bashers actually really given one a chance? [tjc78]
by captain2
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Jul 27, 2006 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 27, 2006 1:39 pm)
'Detroit' in general has always been very good with V8 engines and not so good with the technology that allows my Avalon the 27 mpg overall that I get and the low 6 second 0-60 times that is supposedly possible. Can't remember any smaller displacement 4 or 6 cylinder engine that could hold a candle to engines available from Europe and Japan - the 'Detroit' approach - attack the problem with displacement.
The Lucerne V8 is only marginally slower (7 second), the 300 hp V8 Impala SS marginally quicker (high 5s), but both with a substantial FE penalty.
Can't imagine, however, that for whatever faults the Lucerne may or may not have, it should be every bit as quiet as any Avalon - this is precisely what a Buick is all about - isolation. If you remember it was the Avalon that made a reputation as a 'better Buick' and both cars were sold heavily to an older demographic. While the Buick has not changed much, the Avalon has. And there are a number of folks that prefer a V8 'rumble' to that exhilirating V6 'growl' the Avalon has at anything over 4000 rpm or so. If a soft/quiet ride is paramount, the Lucerne is a logical choice.
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