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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#2915 of 6854 Re: 2008 Ford Taurus SEL [vic10]
Aug 14, 2007 (11:20 am)
Well, some of my grandmother's previous cars are her current 2002 Accord, a '96 Accord, '91 Civic, '84 LTD (the Fairmont based sedan), a Granada, and a Torino.
The Taurus felt huge to me just sitting in it, but I never got in the driver's seat, just the passenger. I've actually heard good things about this car as far as ride, power, and the overall experience - very smooth and cushy seems to be the theme, which would be good.
#2916 of 6854 Re: Genesis 3.8 V6 [captain2]
Aug 14, 2007 (12:09 pm)
same (or better) HP with improved FE should require some rather substantial changes in valvetrain technology, fuel control, computer and tranny control programming
I agree that some tranny control programming could help.
I am very happy with my Azera, and the biggest gripe I have with the car is its inability to give a part throttle downshift when accelerating off the ramp and onto the freeway. They probably programmed the tranny to hold higher gears for economy, but the economy goes down the tubes when I have to floor it to get a downshift.
Yeah, I know it has a very nice autostick, but the car is so quiet, you can't hear the engine to qauge RPM and must take your eyes off the road to see what gear it's in. That all takes too much time.
As far as Hyundai not being noted for engine technology, neither is Cadillac, but their direct injection version of the 3.6 engine has about 40 HP more than the standard motor and is capable of higher fuel economy due to its higher compression ratio - so it can be done.
#2917 of 6854 Re: Genesis 3.8 V6 [captain2]
Aug 14, 2007 (1:02 pm)
The phrase you are looking for is DI, as in direct injection. I am not telling you something that hasn't been done before - as a matter of fact, Toyota's 2GR you brought up is the perfect example, its 2GR-FSE utilizes DI.
Believe what you want to believe, but this isn't an opinion or someone's fantasy. You will see a 3.8L V6 300hp with good F/E numbers in a Hyundai application.
#2918 of 6854 Re: Genesis 3.8 V6 [cobrazera]
Aug 14, 2007 (1:50 pm)
So...why don't you just switch it over to manual mode when making your grand entrances onto the highway??? You can hold a lower gear for a longer period to make sure the power doesn't drop off should you need to punch it. I think the gearing would be a little different if it didn't have the Shiftronic feature.
As for what gear it's in...it only takes a nanosecond to peek at the dash, but I go by feel now that I've been driving it for more than a year.
#2919 of 6854 Re: Genesis 3.8 V6 [allmet33]
Aug 14, 2007 (2:05 pm)
Actually, THE biggest improvement in engines in the last 50 years will be electronic valve control(EVC). They will replace the entire top end of the engine with servo-controlled valves. No flywheel, timing chain/belt, no lifters, no camshaft! All of that is just GONE. In fact, most of what you put oil into a car for won't be there, or required, which will increase reliability as well.
They expect it to increase power and significantly reduce cost and complexity in engine designs.
#2920 of 6854 Re: Genesis 3.8 V6 [allmet33]
Aug 15, 2007 (3:01 am)
Why should using Shiftronic be necessary? It's an automatic transmission, and as such should do partial throttle downshifts - just reprogram the computer.
#2921 of 6854 Re: Genesis 3.8 V6 [cobrazera]
Aug 15, 2007 (3:22 am)
"just reprogram the computer"
What ever happened to just adjusting the linkage? Does the Azera have an adaptive trans like the Avalon? Just a hunch you may need to be a little heavier footed with it, in order to "teach" it to downshift faster. Is anyone else over in the Azera forum complaining? There may be a software fix for it. Toyota issued one for those experiencing the hesitation problem in the Avalon.
#2922 of 6854 Re: Genesis 3.8 V6 [captain2]
Aug 15, 2007 (3:32 am)
"witness what Toyota did with the 2GR a few years ago"
Its funny you say that, when I first saw the specs on the '05 Avalon I thought, nice, 280 HP (268 now) but FE will suffer. Then I saw the #'s Toyota was claiming I thought how the heck are they getting 70 more HP in a bigger car to get better mileage? Well I am happy to report that my '03 Avalon returned 19 MPG average and my '06 is now getting 22 with the same driving pattern. I know neither # is stellar but I do a lot of sitting in traffic.
#2923 of 6854 Re: Not So Fast, Buick Owners [allmet33]
Aug 15, 2007 (4:29 am)
hmm. if u were replacing stock speakers, it means that they actually sound horrible. I have bose in my car and have no plan on replacing stock 320 watt great Bose sound system. even at high volume,they sound great and clear.
#2924 of 6854 Re: Genesis 3.8 V6 [allmet33]
Aug 15, 2007 (4:46 am)
well at the same time maxima beats Azera in 0-60 and many other tests. IN addition Maxima as well as Avalon do have superior engines over 3.8 in Azera. With Less displacement, they produce similar Hp and more importantly Torque in the same or lower ranges. Maxima is build for a different buyer than Azera. It is for a person , who enjoys performance, but wants 4 door large and comfortable vehicle with all luxury items that one needs like Navigation, standard power adjustable steering wheel. Modifications on Maxima will not look out of place as it is on Azera.
BTW 2009 model year maxima is moving closer to MB CLS whose appearance I love( have you seen coupe based 4 door BMW). BTW younger buyers like coupes and Maxima even now is simply coupe based vehicle. This is basically the reason why passenger volume in MAxima is smaller than in Azera. CD in MAx is also smaller than in Azera.