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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Azera is better [allmet33] by discgolfer99
Aug 08, 2007 (8:59 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Aug 08, 2007 6:54 am)

"A long warranty doesn't prove reliability, it proves a company's willingness to stand behind their product. "
 
Totally agree. And for me, Powertrain warranty is pretty much meaningless. The REAL factor is the Bumper-To-Bumper warranty. Now THAT!, is standing behind your product...
 
But I have to admit, even the bumper to bumper warranty was probably 4th or 5th reason on my list when I bought, lower than Styling, Options, Price, Performance, etc.
 
Still loving my Charger SXT. NO ISSUES whatsoever in two years now...
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Re: Azera is better [discgolfer99] by captain2
Aug 08, 2007 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: discgolfer99 (Aug 08, 2007 8:59 am)

Yep, bumper to bumper much more likely to be used - and to be fair Hyundai does go a bit further on that end as well. As far as allmet's statement goes - if I might alter it just a bit - 'a long warranty doesn't necessarily even IMPLY reliability and if it proves anything, it 'proves' that the company (and/or the car buyer) thinks that it MUST offer it to compete effectively'.
 To me - long warranties, if anything, are a 'red flag' of sorts - probably because I haven't owned a car in the last 15 years that ever required any kind of warranty service within 100k, total mileage of those 2 Chevys, 1 Ford, 4 Nissans, and 1 Toyota over a million miles.Therefore really don't care (Knock on wood) about a lousy 100k warranty - that kind of thing should be expected these days given any semblance of proper upkeep - don't you think?
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Re: Azera is better [alexstore] by captain2
Aug 08, 2007 (2:40 pm)
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Replying to: alexstore (Aug 08, 2007 7:54 am)

If Hyundai (or GM/Chrysler) were to really do this, suggest that there would be a really positive impact on resale values and equally as obviously 'true cost to own'. That lack of tranferabililty is what limits the mfrg's exposure, given that most folks are trading off cars every 3 to 4 years - in effect, making the warranty 50 or 60k, not 100.
Nobody ever accused the Koreans of being dummies!
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Re: Azera is better [captain2] by bobber1
Aug 08, 2007 (3:51 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 08, 2007 2:40 pm)

And nobody ever accused the Japanese of being dummies and they avoid 100,000 mile warranties just like our domestics.
 
The Koreans know that they have had reliability issues in the past and that the reason they're offering these long warrantee to buy back business.
 
I agree with the guy who's never had to do warrantee work on all of his cars foreign and domestic. I never have either and I've owned all GM and Honda.
 
I'd like to see the Hyundai cheer leaders to report back at 100,000 or 150,000 miles to see what they think of them at that point.
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Re: Azera is better [bobber1] by tjc78
Aug 08, 2007 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: bobber1 (Aug 08, 2007 3:51 pm)

"And nobody ever accused the Japanese of being dummies and they avoid 100,000 mile warranties just like our domestics"
 
GM is offering 100K and Chrysler is offering unlimited mileage on certain models. Why? Because, no matter whether the warranty is worth anything or not its a good marketing ploy to help sell cars.
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Re: Azera is better [tjc78] by bobber1
Aug 08, 2007 (4:41 pm)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Aug 08, 2007 4:04 pm)

Actually in GM's case they almost never has power train problems so very low risk warrantee for them. I think it's the only 100,000 mile warrantee they offer? Chrysler on the other hand ranks at the bottom of domestics for reliability, so they're going the Korean route buying customers.
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Re: Azera is better [alexstore] by allmet33
Aug 08, 2007 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: alexstore (Aug 08, 2007 7:54 am)

Fully transferrable doesn't mean they stand behind it, it just means they are standing behind the orginal owner. Look at Dodge/Chrysler's new lifetime warranty...only good to the orginal owner!
 
Actually...a longer warranty would seemingly make someone want to hold on to a car for a longer period of time, however...someone like me...I ran through 100k miles in 4 years, so...
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Re: Azera is better [captain2] by allmet33
Aug 08, 2007 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 08, 2007 2:18 pm)

You're right about most cars not really needing the warranty, however...it is nice to know that should something go wrong in that time/mileage constraint...it doesn't come out of your own pocket. I can tell you this...should any of those cars that don't offer the longer powertrain warranty have something that goes wrong outside of their shorter warranty periods...the cost to repair is much higher.
 
I had a 96 Camry (4 cyl/ auto)and when the tranny went, AAMCO wanted $2300 to repair it...eventually, I found a shop to do it for $1800,but just imagine if it was one of the newer trannies!!!
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Re: Azera is better [tjc78] by allmet33
Aug 08, 2007 (5:53 pm)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Aug 08, 2007 4:04 pm)

Yeah? Just let one of those japanese trannies go out on you after the warranty period and tell me if you're happy about paying out the nose to get it fixed.
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Re: Azera is better [bobber1] by colloquor
Aug 08, 2007 (6:41 pm)
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Replying to: bobber1 (Aug 08, 2007 4:41 pm)

Re. GM's power train problems, or lack thereof . . . tell that to those who suffer piston slap in GM engines.
 
I would certainly agree on GM's transmissions however, as Rolls-Royce formerly used Turbo-Hydramatics.

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