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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#2802 of 6854 Re: Just finished test driving [dzier217]
Aug 05, 2007 (1:58 pm)
Ford has made a lot of progress on quality from everything that I have heard. I think your comments on the Taurus are on the mark, it does seem to me to echo the VW style of design, a bit stark but clean. Many have commented on the generous dimensions of the interior.
May I suggest that you also test drive the 2007 Kia Amanti? I know no one has really talked about it in this thread for a while, but I have owned one for a month and am extremely impressed and pleased with the car. I think you will find the quality of the interior very Toyota/Lexus-like, and it is quite spacious, especially the back seat area and trunk. Kia has taken care to make the inside of the car very quiet and squeak-free. Fit and finish is of very fine quality. I like its exterior looks, they grow on you, but some may find the design "unique"! The handling and engine power are very good, much better than the first generation of the Amanti. It uses the same 3.8 engine as the Azera. I had tried out the Azera, but found the ride on the Amanti more to my liking. I felt that the Azera rode a bit "twitchy" - but this is purely a subjective opinion. I find the Amanti a pleasure to drive, and my wife loves the car. You are wise to try out as many of these cars as you can before making a decision.
#2804 of 6854 Re: Azera is better [ronsmith38]
Aug 06, 2007 (4:44 am)
So, the 2008 Taurus mileage is better than the Azera....
And, the Taurus is less expensive than the Azera.
Another plus is the availability of AWD, which has also been completely re-engineered from the old 500, although I never read anyone complaining about the 500's AWD system which was Haldex. The new AWD is lifted from the Edge.
The Taurus gets the highest score on all of the NHTSA crash ratings. The Azera does not.
I really don't know what more Ford can do, spec-wise. If the reliability of the car is halfway decent, and it still doesn't sell, maybe Ford is in bigger trouble than I thought.
#2805 of 6854 Re: Azera is better [scottl]
Aug 06, 2007 (5:15 am)
"maybe Ford is in bigger trouble than I thought"
The Taurus will not "save" Ford. Midsize sedans are where the volume is and although Ford is doing well with the Fusion/Milan it isn't up to the competition and until it is Ford will continue to lag behind in sedan sales.
BTW, the Taurus I saw on a lot a few weeks ago was 34K. Granted it was fully loaded, but, that # is easily Avalon/Lucerne territory. Take away the AWD and Nav and you are right at Azera pricing.
#2806 of 6854 Re: Azera is better [tjc78]
Aug 06, 2007 (5:58 am)
Ford is on the ropes...Focus isn't even up to the Mazda 3 standard. V-6 Fusion is very weak..Who wants to spend a min of $48k (base) for a hopped up Mustang?? Taurus nameplate won't attract enough needed attention to make the sedan a real hit...Lincoln MKZ is in search of an identity. Town Car is a dinosaur..Ford SUV's and trucks are all but "give-aways."
#2807 of 6854 Re: Azera is better [scbob]
Aug 06, 2007 (6:10 am)
FYI - According to a Hyundai salesman, a lot of Azera buyers are former Cadillac owners.
#2808 of 6854 Re: Azera is better [robbieg]
Aug 06, 2007 (6:30 am)
Might be true, but consider your source....Quite a few Huyndai salespersons aren't even up to speed on their own products..Also, it depends upon what "a lot" means...Auto Week used to post either weekly or monthly the total sales of all the major manufacturers....I haven't seen an issue in some time, so it would be interesting to see the rankings....given, they don't break it down per model.....I'm sure that someone reading this has access to the individual makes and models sold monthly or can pervide a link....
#2809 of 6854 Re: Off Base [martin22]
Aug 06, 2007 (11:51 am)
Yeah...the SS is great (depending on what you're looking for), but the argument we had earlier pertaining to that is that you had to get a V-8 to contend with the power output of the foreign V-6's...same applies to the 300/Charger twins and the Buick Lucerne. Without the upgrade to V-8, the V-6 models fall a bit short in power.
#2810 of 6854 Re: Azera is better [scottl]
Aug 06, 2007 (11:53 am)
Now go test drive an Azera and tell us what you think.
#2811 of 6854 Re: Azera is better [scottl]
Aug 06, 2007 (12:02 pm)
Not sure how you figure the Taurus is less expensive than the Azera. If you go and price a fully loaded Taurus and a fully loaded Azera...I can almost guarantee you that the Azera will come in less than the Taurus.
Right now, the biggest advantage that the Taurus offers is AWD, a larger trunk and a very cavernous cabin.
However, even if you use Edmunds as a guide, the starting MSRP price for the Taurus starts out higher than the Azera...that's without options.
Nice try though.