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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#2794 of 6854 Re: Azera is better [scbob]
Aug 04, 2007 (8:29 am)
There is not a single part on the 2008 Taurus that was on the 1996. No question that the older Taurus had issues, although there are a lot of them out there with over 200K on them. I guarantee you that you could find an example in every single make out there of auto trannys blowing out at 125K.
Why are you not bringing up the 'stellar' track record of the 1996 Hyundai products? I know some owners from that era who could tell you some stories.
Again, I'm sure the Azera is a nice car, but so is the Taurus, and dismissing it out of hand is silly, especially based on 12 year old experiences with a car that has absolutely nothing in common.
I'm not a Taurus owner or a Ford owner, and probably won't be anytime soon, but I was impressed by the car for the 2500 miles I spent in it, and think it is worth taking for a drive if you are looking for a large car.
#2795 of 6854 Re: Azera is better [scottl]
Aug 04, 2007 (9:38 am)
Right on. Some zealots aren't willing even to investigate. They might find out something they are unwilling to believe.
#2796 of 6854 Re: Azera is better [bruneau1]
Aug 04, 2007 (12:23 pm)
When you get "burned" by a particular vehicle you tend not to go back to it. My '93 Taurus was a mess (head gasket, tie rods twice, leaked everything, and more all before 90K) My 98 Olds 88 had a water leak from day one that was never fixed, traded it after one year (looking back should have gotten a lawyer and lemon lawed it). These 2 vehicles turned me to Toyota and I have yet to by American again (except for my 99 S-10 used). However, I believe Ford and GM are now building better vehicles and when my '06 Avalon comes off lease I will certainly test drive a Taurus. Actually, I am pretty sure I will like it because the only thing I didn't like about the 500 was its lackluster powertrain. Of course by that time (March '09) the Max will be new, the Impala, Genesis... lots of choices
#2797 of 6854 Re: Azera is better [scottl]
Aug 04, 2007 (12:29 pm)
I think most people are smart enough to acknowledge the differences between a current and 12 year old model. However, if they've been burned by a model or brand, they may shy away from buying that model/brand or at least drop it lower on their list of makes to consider.
I owned a Mercury that had horrible reliability including a problem that was seriously dangerous. So for me, I'll be avoiding FoMoCo products until I've made the rounds through the other brands that haven't left me stranded or put my life in danger. It doesn't matter that their current lineup has little to nothing in common with my car. Ford let me down. So until I've been disappointed by the other automakers Ford doesn't deserve a sale from me. And considering my age, tendency to hold on to cars for 8+ years, and the reliability of the Japanese & Korean cars I've bought, I doubt I'll ever buy another Ford product. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice..
Hyundai hasn't burned me (my wife has an Elantra) so unless things change I'll be considering an Azera when it comes time to replace my current car.
#2798 of 6854 Re: Off Base [captain2]
Aug 04, 2007 (1:14 pm)
What were you running (or transporting) when you couldn't get the 300C to hold highway speeds on 4-cyl? With myself and luggage and doing under 75 (even 73...), and as long as I'm not going up a decent grade, my 300C will switch to 4 cyl. But hit 75 and the system automatically cuts out. I know it's working because I can consistently get 26mpg with cruise set at 70 - 73, but it drops to 20 or below at 75mph.
#2799 of 6854 So many good choices
Aug 04, 2007 (2:03 pm)
Isn't it great that we have so many choices from what are very good cars compared to what we had to put up with in the past? The competition and technology has gotten us so far from where things used to be.
From all of these mentioned here, I think I could be happy with any of them. It's like ice cream flavors: certain people will like certain ones.
I think I would have to look at the Azera and Taurus if I were looking now. In July 2005, there was no Azera and the Five Hundred was weak. There was no Lucerne, only LaCrosse, no V8 Impala. For now, I'm keeping the C.
#2801 of 6854 Just finished test driving
Aug 05, 2007 (7:32 am)
I just test drove the Azera, Avalon, Camry, Altima, Maxima, Fusion, Taurus, Lucerne and Imapala the past week or so. I am not a fan of Nissan's style, but the Altima's interior is much improved. The Impala assembly quality, especially fit and finish in the interior, was not good on the SS I drove, and the car had squeeks and rattles. SHockingly, the Camry had the same problem, but notquite as bad. I was shocked to see the misaligned panels. I am astounded at how much cheap plastic is in all of these cars, but the impala seemed to be the worst at that too. They all get some minus points for cheap plastics on various pieces or consol, dash pieces, etc. I guess you just don't touch.
I was suprised by the Azaera and Taurus because, although I was not expecting much, they were a suprise because of how good they were. I drove the Taurus AWD after the Avalon, and was most suprised that the Avalon was not the slam dunk I thought it was going to be. I was stunned at how quiet the Taurus was,and how the engine noise is virtually absent, and is well hushed at speed. I was also suprised the assembly quality and fit and finish was good in the Taurus and Azera, and the other products from Toyota no longer outclass others as they have in the past. The Azera looked and felt like a toyota product, and Ford's interior assembly look similar to VW (on the austere side).
I was also pleasantly suprised at the visibility and seating positions in the Taurus. I will admit the Taurus looks are more stark with the grill, but also a little more sedate - or boring - than the others since it is so boxy. I guess that is the ford edge style.
The Buick Lucerne stood out as a V8, but the visibility in the car is not great. The car interior is small compared to the exterior dimenesions, especially when compared to Taurus and Avalon. I am not sure how that happens.
I have not yet made up my mind, but everyone has an opinion. I have not had a ford or American car since the 1970's (car at 16 was a pinto), but this new Taurus refinement got my attention.
#2802 of 6854 Re: Just finished test driving [dzier217]
Aug 05, 2007 (1:58 pm)
Ford has made a lot of progress on quality from everything that I have heard. I think your comments on the Taurus are on the mark, it does seem to me to echo the VW style of design, a bit stark but clean. Many have commented on the generous dimensions of the interior.
May I suggest that you also test drive the 2007 Kia Amanti? I know no one has really talked about it in this thread for a while, but I have owned one for a month and am extremely impressed and pleased with the car. I think you will find the quality of the interior very Toyota/Lexus-like, and it is quite spacious, especially the back seat area and trunk. Kia has taken care to make the inside of the car very quiet and squeak-free. Fit and finish is of very fine quality. I like its exterior looks, they grow on you, but some may find the design "unique"! The handling and engine power are very good, much better than the first generation of the Amanti. It uses the same 3.8 engine as the Azera. I had tried out the Azera, but found the ride on the Amanti more to my liking. I felt that the Azera rode a bit "twitchy" - but this is purely a subjective opinion. I find the Amanti a pleasure to drive, and my wife loves the car. You are wise to try out as many of these cars as you can before making a decision.