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What is this discussion about? Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Stability and Control? by discgolfer99
Jun 19, 2007 (3:10 pm)
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Captain, did you mean "LOSS OF" stability and control?
 
Allmet, I propose that you "STILL" don't know what your car is capable of doing. Perhaps you should take her out again and push it till she breaks. THEN, you will know what she is capable of...
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Re: A German Ford [jaymagic] by joe97
Jun 19, 2007 (3:22 pm)
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Replying to: jaymagic (Jun 19, 2007 3:03 pm)

Isn't that what I said? Heck, I was the one who posted the article. Of course it was talking about the Sonata.
 
You said the Azera does not have a limiter, and to which I said you may be right. Please re-read my post.
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Re: A German Ford [captain2] by jaymagic
Jun 19, 2007 (3:28 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jun 19, 2007 1:40 pm)

Looked again at AZERA top speed, not Sonata and found the following. Also this is consistent with some articles I have found re Azera gearing and top speed in Korea, where apparently 160's are possible.
 
"The Azera has a four-wheel independent suspension (multi-link in the rear) and uses the company's new 3.8 L Lambda V6, which produces 263 hp (196 kW). The power is sent to the front wheels through a five-speed automatic transmission with "Shiftronic" manual gear selection. Hyundai claims 6.0 s to accelerate to 60 mph (97 km/h) and a top speed of 157 mph (252 km/h)." Found in Wikipedia.
 
I have had mine to 141, with more available but backed off due to an upcoming curve and traffic. I was not having any "stability issues". I have driven BMW's and Audi's to limited 155mph sustained periods on the autobahn on several occasions and the Azera felt very solid to me. NOT saying its designed for continuous high speed like the Bimmers or Audi's, but it will certainly get up there and run on a decent road. And NO, I don't intend to race any Maxima's, those days are behind me.(But then so would be the Maxima's)
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Be honest... by louiswei
Jun 20, 2007 (3:57 am)
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The recent "How fast can the Azera go" discussion is as stupid as (if not more than) the previous 0-60 discussion.
 
Why would anybody, in the right state of mind, driving a large sedan, whether it's the Avalon, Azera or Maxima, to 140+ mph? I have no problem with people trying to kill themselves but if other folks are endangered in the process then I do. Reckless driving, and I consider driving at 140 mph as one, is as stupid as DUI.
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Re: Stability and Control? [discgolfer99] by captain2
Jun 20, 2007 (4:50 am)
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Replying to: discgolfer99 (Jun 19, 2007 3:10 pm)

there is a reason why many truly high performance cars 'lower' at high speeds, and things like air dams, spoilers have specific designs and/or deploy in different manners at higher speeds, not to mention an undercarrage designed to allow air to flow freely. It all has to do with keeping the car pushed down thereby keeping traction, and stopping the air under the car from effectively pushing it upward - getting airborne if you will, effectively losing that stability and control. None of the sedans in this class have either the tight ground clearances, effective air dams/spoilers, or the undercarriages designed for 140 mph (or more) and therefore are unsafe at the kind of speeds that this poster apparently likes to drive his car. Most cars these days are electronically limited relative to tire speed ratings, in consideration of things like this, and what the corporate liability lawyers have to say about it.
I will admit to having my Avalon up to slightly over 100 mph, a speed that the car was still solid and still pulling strongly, 140 is entirely something else - it was irresponsible enough for me to be driving the thing at even the 100! 75 or 80 seems to work fine!
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Re: Stability and Control? [discgolfer99] by allmet33
Jun 20, 2007 (5:09 am)
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Replying to: discgolfer99 (Jun 19, 2007 3:10 pm)

Discogolfer99...KNOWING that the car CAN attain speeds in excess of 135 mph is good enough for me. Like I said, I've done it on two occassions, once with factory wheels and tires and again with the aftermarket wheels and tires, just to see how much of a difference there would be.
 
Knowing that it can attain those speeds doesn't mean I plan on driving it at those speeds on a regular basis.
 
Everyone really needs to calm down, I mean seriously. Just because half of you are getting ready to be over the hill (if not there already), doesn't mean that there aren't some of us that aren't. There are those of us that can and will do the very things you all did when you were younger and adventurous.
 
Oh...and when I did reach 130 mph, there was no loss of stability or control. With the aftermarket wheels and tires, the car felt even more stable than with the factory ones. There was no floatiness and the car tracked more confidently. As far as loss of control, ummmmm...er, uh....obviously I was able to maintain control as I'm here to type about it today.
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Re: Stability and Control? [captain2] by allmet33
Jun 20, 2007 (5:17 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jun 20, 2007 4:50 am)

Yes, there is a reason...those cars are designed to be driven at those speeds on a consistent basis.
 
Have you tested any of the cars in this discussion to know what they are capable of?
 
Don't worry captain...we all do irresponsible things every day of our lives. Driving your car slightly over 100 isn't unforgivable by any stretch. I mean...it just shows you're human and that you're ALIVE!!! However, before you jump on your soap box, driving at 15-20 mph over any speed limit would be considered irresponsible as well. I guess you're justification is that everyone else around is doing it, so it's okay, huh?
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Re: Be honest... [louiswei] by allmet33
Jun 20, 2007 (5:20 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jun 20, 2007 3:57 am)

If you're scared, just say you're scared...nobody will laugh at you or think any less of you either.
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Re: Be honest... [allmet33] by louiswei
Jun 20, 2007 (5:22 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jun 20, 2007 5:20 am)

allmet33, that's very mature of you and from now on I know how seriously should I take your post...
 
Again, I have no problem with people testing out their cars to the limit on say an abandoned runway. Because if anything happened, they die alone. However, driving 140+ mph on a highway with other people is just simply stupid. If you want to risk your life that's fine but don't drag other innocent folks with you.
 
Have I done 130+ mph? Heck yeah. But again that was on an abandoned construction site...
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Re: Be honest... [allmet33] by pat HOST
Jun 20, 2007 (5:52 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jun 20, 2007 5:20 am)

There isn't any reason to accuse people of being "scared" because they do not choose to put themselves and others at unnecessary and foolish risk seeing how fast they can go. Let's back off the personal comments, please.
 
It is time to drop this whole line of conversation; we've beaten it into the ground. Let's move on.

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