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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#2369 of 6854 Re: What Hyundai Should Do [captain2]
May 25, 2007 (5:36 am)
Captain...I think we all know that we won't see a $40K+ Hyundai. I think they know there's a limit. Unless...they want to set a precedent for NOT creating a luxury brand and selling everything under the Hyundai badge. It would certainly set them apart from the Big 3.
Only time can establish their ability to make well built and engineered cars, considering they just recently started the upward trend. The Sonata has been around for years and it's been a continual improvement. The Azera was a first time car for Hyundai from the ground up only a year ago. The BH (Genesis) will be following in another year. So somewhere between now and maybe 2010...we should know if they've been making the right moves.
As far as real cars go...Hyundai has give us the Azera. There is nobody out there, that can be honest about cars, that can say that the Azera isn't a viable option to it's competition.
#2370 of 6854 Re: Trustworthy? [allmet33]
May 25, 2007 (6:00 am)
The Avalon certainly with a recognized name, but 2005 and later neither a recognizable face or even close to same car. When they first came out, the 03/04 Avalon was selling at a rate of about 3000/month, the 05 hit the ground running at closer to 10000/month, it was so 'bad' that many of those early buyers, had to order them, there was some price gouging (by the distributors primarily), and were so hard to get that many folks had to take cars that weren't precisely what they ordered. Kind of a 'take what you can get' situation. Don't think Georgetown, Ky. was prepared for the increased demand despite never promoting the car at all.
The Azera is not a whole lot different in that it also a vast improvement over the old XG, granted had no name recognition, but also did'nt hit the streets with the same sort of demand as the Avalon. Don't know if some sort of promotional campaign would have helped or not - people buy things like Avalons because they are Avalons, don't know of anything that Hyundai makes that has that kind of following.
#2371 of 6854 Re: Trustworthy? [captain2]
May 25, 2007 (6:57 am)
I still get asked quite frequently what my car is. Most people just aren't used to seeing it. There really aren't that many Avalons around (compared to the midsizers). Azeras are even more scarce, I may see 1 Azera for every 5 Avalons here in Jersey. Like you said the Avalon sells well enough without an ad campaign. If Hyundai wants to go upmarket and sell the Genesis maybe they should start promoting the hell out of the Azera. Make people notice them and realize they just don't make econo boxes. I remember when I went to look at it (Azera), many people who know cars said "Azera" what is that?
#2372 of 6854 Re: Bargains... [captain2]
May 25, 2007 (7:04 am)
"both the 500 and the CV are being advertised at $6000.00 off"
Great deals, unless you plan on getting rid of it in 2 - 3 years! Wait until the Taurus is on the lot, and the dealers are trying to get rid of the leftovers. No matter how hard they try, IMO, there will be plenty left.
#2373 of 6854 Re: Trustworthy? [tjc78]
May 25, 2007 (7:22 am)
my last experience - at a state inspection station, the guy writing up the sticker had already written Lexus on the sticker and then asked me what (Lexus) model it was. Bought my Avalon in April 05 and it was many months before I even saw another one on the road, a little more frequent these days - but down here, believe it or not, you see more Altimas than even Camrys or Accords, the Altima may possibly be the most registered sedan amongst all of them. Azeras few and far between, more likely to see a white 'fleet' 500 or Impala than an Azera.
#2374 of 6854 Re: Trustworthy? [captain2]
May 25, 2007 (7:27 am)
The Avalon enjoyed the success of years of dependability. Toyota dealers never have an issue with getting people to come through their doors. On the other hand, the Azera being a first year model in 2006, was given no hype before it dropped. Granted it was a huge improvement over the XG, but it wasn't a remake of the car. Of which, also wasn't given much, if any press either.
Hyundai failed and has been failing the best car it's ever created, with a lack of marketing campaign and a seemingly lax approach to customer service. So to compare the demand for the Avalon to the demand for the Azera is apples and oranges.
I know word of mouth can be strong, but it's not strong enough for Hyundai to overcome the past problems it has dealt with. They should know that and they should be putting their best foot forward for their newer vehicles. The Sonata has been enjoying the media, as well as the Santa Fe and Tucson. Another vehicle that's left out in the cold too is the Veracruz they have. Hyundai has a long way to go to learn how to address it's vehicles and what priority to put on them.
#2375 of 6854 Re: Trustworthy? [allmet33]
May 25, 2007 (7:40 am)
Toyota dealers never have an issue with getting people to come through their doors.
true - and a good thing I guess because once they get thru those doors they treat them like crap! Just like Honda.
#2376 of 6854 Re: Trustworthy? [captain2]
May 25, 2007 (7:43 am)
Azeras are few and far in between in almost any market in the U.S. They are popping up a bit more now in the DC area, but not to where you really see them on a daily basis.
Around here...Altimas are up there with the Camry, Accords and Sonatas. You may see an Azera once or twice a week depending on where you go.
I can't tell you how many times I get the whole BMW thing with my Azera. Before the rims and tint, it was Lexus.
#2377 of 6854 Re: Trustworthy? [captain2]
May 25, 2007 (7:52 am)
At the car wash during the winter, the attendent called "White Lexus" I guess thats a good thing! Anyway, up here I would say the Camry is the most popular car on the road. Having three Toyota dealers in a 10 mile radius would do that.
Surprised you would have an inspection already, up here you don't inspect a new car until its 4 years old. Every 2 years after that.
#2378 of 6854 Re: Trustworthy? [tjc78]
May 25, 2007 (7:58 am)
Texas only exempts a new car from inspection for 2 years and annually after that - may have something to do with the mileage we have a tendency to put on cars or keeping money in the State coffers. We do after all, measure distances by the six pack 100 mile or even 200 mile 'commutes are not all that uncommon.