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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#2362 of 6854 Re: Bargains... [tjc78]
May 25, 2007 (5:08 am)
So that made me curious about the 500:
down here in Texas, both the 500 and the CV are being advertised at $6000.00 off, on a nominal $25k MSRP this amounts to somewhere about $4k BELOW invoice - an attempt by Ford I'm sure to get em off the lots if and when the Taurus shows up and I guess that the CV just plain doesn't sell. In either case you 've got to feel sorry for those buyers that bought either of these cars earlier in their 'run' - they may have just lost a few thousand themselves (in resale values) and it obviously can't be good for a struggling Ford to see their products sold so cheaply.
#2363 of 6854 Re: Maxima vs Azera [alexstore]
May 25, 2007 (5:17 am)
Alexstore, there was no personal attack, what are you talking about.
I hate to say it...I've NEVER seen a Maxima attract any attention in my area.
Do I ever get attention in my Azera? There wasn't a day that goes by that pedestrians on sidewalks, in crosswalks, in stores and folks driving by don't gawk at my ride. And this was before I added the rims and tinted the windows. Trust me, Maximas are a dime a dozen here in the DC area, there is nothing special about them. The folks lookin at your Maxima following the Viper were probably lookin at you thinking, "I bet he wishes he was driving that slick Viper in front of him!" LOL
I've got a neighbor that has and '05 Maxima 5 doors down from me and when I got my Azera, he drooled over it and said he wished he had held out because the Azera looked better than his Maxima. The only thing you got out the deal with 2 more HP and a tighter, sport tuned suspension. If I wanted a rough ride, I would have gotten a Max, but I wanted something that would ride nice and smooth.
I don't know what you consider to be plain on the inside, but the inside of the Maxima isn't exactly inspiring either. As far as getting one for $3k less than an Azera, yeah right! You can't get a fully loaded Altima for less than a fully loaded Azera. We're not talkin price after incentives, down payment and rebates. Straight up MSRP for MSRP...the Maxima is more than the Azera. Nice try though.
Even if you compare an '07 Max with an '07 Azera...both cars fully loaded, top of the line models...you aren't going to touch a Max for less than $30K. The Azera will come in around $4k-$5K less. I sure hope you weren't comparing a base model Max with a top of the line Azera! Then again, that could very well be exactly why you paid $3K less!
#2364 of 6854 Re: Trustworthy? [alexstore]
May 25, 2007 (5:18 am)
Allmet why are you talking about a car , which doesn't exist yet
Then we should just stop talking about all future cars, spy photos/video, developement, etc.
The Hyundai BH is going into production this year for the domestic market. It's coming alright.
Who knows what will Nissan or Toyota make in 2 years.
I can tell you what Nissan or Toyota has in stores 2 years from now but the point is the BH is coming next year, not in two years, starting under $30K.
#2365 of 6854 Re: What Hyundai Should Do [prosource1]
May 25, 2007 (5:19 am)
I'll bite on the 'Halo' car idea - but if that's what Hyundai really wants (as opposed to a sales leader competing with those 300s/Impalas) then they need to price it accordingly - the world's first $40k+ Hyundai! if you truly want to establish the 'Halo effect' as a means to 'prove' the ability to make well built and engineered cars there is rarely anything better than a high price to 'justify' it. But, let's talk about it again when we actually start seeing some examples of real cars.
#2366 of 6854 Re: What Hyundai Should Do [prosource1]
May 25, 2007 (5:22 am)
You are so right with the points you have made, but again...I bring up the poor customer service issue that Hyundai is having currently. As much as I want to see this new Genesis put Hyundai up another notch...I think the lack of attention to the customers that have purchased their vehicles will likely knock them down 2 notches instead. Personally, I get treated great at the dealership I go to, but I've read too many times in various forums about owners complaining about the crappy service they receive and this is a nationwide problem.
If Hyundai Corp. is going to be serious about marketing a luxury vehicle, they need to work on changing the mindset of the dealers and get out of that econo-sales mentality. Dodge/Chrysler went through the same thing when they made that 5-Star service push. Since then...they've become so much better.
#2367 of 6854 Re: Trustworthy? [captain2]
May 25, 2007 (5:29 am)
Ummmmmmmmmmm...that's easy, how long as the Avalon been around? Come on now...that's a gimme there.
You are right though, Hyundai does need to continue with the 'Best In...' categories.
Captain...to be honest, the car was getting attention long before the 20" chromes went on.
#2368 of 6854 Re: Trustworthy? [cobrazera]
May 25, 2007 (5:31 am)
I've owned Suburbans and can also testify to 15-16 mpg overall on close to 6000 lb trucks (with some highway mileage thrown in there). At 250 hp (my first ones were 200 if I recall correctly) all 3 of my Suburbans were slow as molasses even relative to those more power challenged cars in this group. RWD V8 sedans this physical size should all tip the scales right at about 2 tons, and with 340 hp or so should run sub 6 0-60s - which is where all the FE goes, making all that HP - a case in point being the 300C reported to do, at best, 18-19 mpg overall and as low as 12 City.
#2369 of 6854 Re: What Hyundai Should Do [captain2]
May 25, 2007 (5:36 am)
Captain...I think we all know that we won't see a $40K+ Hyundai. I think they know there's a limit. Unless...they want to set a precedent for NOT creating a luxury brand and selling everything under the Hyundai badge. It would certainly set them apart from the Big 3.
Only time can establish their ability to make well built and engineered cars, considering they just recently started the upward trend. The Sonata has been around for years and it's been a continual improvement. The Azera was a first time car for Hyundai from the ground up only a year ago. The BH (Genesis) will be following in another year. So somewhere between now and maybe 2010...we should know if they've been making the right moves.
As far as real cars go...Hyundai has give us the Azera. There is nobody out there, that can be honest about cars, that can say that the Azera isn't a viable option to it's competition.
#2370 of 6854 Re: Trustworthy? [allmet33]
May 25, 2007 (6:00 am)
The Avalon certainly with a recognized name, but 2005 and later neither a recognizable face or even close to same car. When they first came out, the 03/04 Avalon was selling at a rate of about 3000/month, the 05 hit the ground running at closer to 10000/month, it was so 'bad' that many of those early buyers, had to order them, there was some price gouging (by the distributors primarily), and were so hard to get that many folks had to take cars that weren't precisely what they ordered. Kind of a 'take what you can get' situation. Don't think Georgetown, Ky. was prepared for the increased demand despite never promoting the car at all.
The Azera is not a whole lot different in that it also a vast improvement over the old XG, granted had no name recognition, but also did'nt hit the streets with the same sort of demand as the Avalon. Don't know if some sort of promotional campaign would have helped or not - people buy things like Avalons because they are Avalons, don't know of anything that Hyundai makes that has that kind of following.
#2371 of 6854 Re: Trustworthy? [captain2]
May 25, 2007 (6:57 am)
I still get asked quite frequently what my car is. Most people just aren't used to seeing it. There really aren't that many Avalons around (compared to the midsizers). Azeras are even more scarce, I may see 1 Azera for every 5 Avalons here in Jersey. Like you said the Avalon sells well enough without an ad campaign. If Hyundai wants to go upmarket and sell the Genesis maybe they should start promoting the hell out of the Azera. Make people notice them and realize they just don't make econo boxes. I remember when I went to look at it (Azera), many people who know cars said "Azera" what is that?