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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#2289 of 6854 Re: And we didn't actually land on the moon, either... [cobrazera]
May 20, 2007 (6:43 am)
I wonder if the lower rating cited for the " brand new Altima " is a result of the new testing procedures versus the old procedures.
I'm fully aware of the new ratings system. The 23/29 numbers are from the old 2002-2006 Altima 4-cylinder, not the new rating system. The new ratings system still has higher estimates for the Altima than 29 MPG highway (31 or 32, depending on transmission). It was simply a misinformation in the article from not double-checking information, just like the Buick Lucerne article was.
It is good that you shared that info for those not aware of it, however. To see a full list of what the new ratings system will do to your EPA estimate, click here. The link will take you to the proper section of fueleconomy.gov to search for your car and see what the revised estimates will be.
#2290 of 6854 Re: Premium vs Regular [tjc78]
May 20, 2007 (11:34 am)
When the Avalon was introduced in '05 Premium was recommended and HP was 280. In '06 HP was bumped down to 268
No change was made in the amount of horsepower the engine produced. The difference comes from the new SAE horsepower testing procedures which Toyota began following in 2006.
Other notable vehicles whose horsepower seemingly dropped (but when in reality it was only the ratings system changing) was the Acura TL (270 down to 258), Toyota Corolla (130 down to 126), Toyota Tacoma (245 down to 236), etc...
None of these engines changed for 2006, just the ratings system.
*I know this was an old post, but this information is not necessarily well-known to everyone, so i figured posting it might help some people*
#2291 of 6854 Re: Premium vs Regular [thegraduate]
May 20, 2007 (11:47 am)
so for the Avalon, what do you make of the regular vs premium question as it has to do with the horsepower claims?
#2292 of 6854 Re: Premium vs Regular [joe131]
May 20, 2007 (12:05 pm)
I don't know, as I don't own a Toyota.
I know our Honda Odyssey (2000 model) recommended premium for peak performance. With premium, the engine got 210 hp, and 229 lb-ft of torque. With regular, the engine got 205 hp and 219 lb-ft of torque, I believe (the owner's manual said it I think). We sold it in 2005 so I can't look it up.
I was just stepping in to let people know about the revised horsepower testing procedures.
#2293 of 6854 Re: Premium vs Regular [thegraduate]
May 20, 2007 (3:46 pm)
I guess I worded that poorly... I knew what I wanted to say. LOL
Anyway, I really see no difference in using premium in my '06 Avalon. However the owners manual says to use "87 octane or higher and for improved vehicle performance the use of premium unleaded with an octane rating of 91 or higher is recommended"
#2294 of 6854 Re: ... [allmet33]
May 20, 2007 (4:07 pm)
I don't know if I agree with you on the 500 being a well designed 'space ship'.
'space ship' in terms of volumes - but I think you got that?
The 500 impressed me with its interior volumes and a trunk big enough to hold an extra Jimmy Hoffa (or two), fit and finish that was a big improvement for Ford, a 3 or 4 inch increase in ride height that seemed to make a big difference - but then I turned the key and realized that the thing wasn't boldly going anywhere! The Taurus certainly should now at least get into the neighboring galaxy, but I remain unconvinced that is anything more than a bored/stroked DT3.0 with those attendant refinement issues. Guess I have to hoof it over to a Ford dealer...
May 20, 2007 (4:10 pm)
but then I turned the key and realized that the thing wasn't boldly going anywhere!
Kirk: It's not the starship, it's the Captain
Kirk: Ahead, warp-factor 9, Mr. Sulu
Scotty: Cap'n, she cannot take any more of this!
Checkov: Cap'n, we just overshot all the Romulans
Kirk: You were saying, Mr. Scott?
Bones: Dangit, Jim, you're a Captain, not a Formula-1 driver
Uhura: Captain, Star Fleet informs us that the Romulans were driving 300C's, but didn't have the b**** to push the pedal to the metal. Something about being afraid of high rpm's, sir.
Kirk: Let that be a lesson to us all, Lieutenant!
#2296 of 6854 Re: ... [captain2]
May 20, 2007 (4:26 pm)
"realized that the thing wasn't boldly going anywhere"
#2297 of 6854 Re: ... [quietpro]
May 21, 2007 (2:46 am)
I would argue that anyone who is satisfied with the car they ultimately purchased would sing praises for it just as all of us do on here. I wouldn't belittle him as if he was somehow tricked into liking a newer/improved version of a vehicle he already owns.
The 2005 is way underpowered!!! I'm not all that happy with it for that reason.
It was NOT a Ford sales seminar -- and it was run by an independent focus group / marketing firm. All of the cars had every identifying mark removed during the test drives. In addition to testing large sedans -- at the same time -- they were also testing SUV's (none of which were fords), and small cars (also none of which were fords) The tests were conducted over 8 days -- with groups of 4 in each test group for each vehicle type. They had 4 groups per day -- and the others all owned and drove different types of cars / trucks / SUV's.
There are a number of things that SUCK in the 2008 Sable - but overall as far as the group of vehicles goes -- it is the best buy for the $$$. My point was only that power is no longer an issue -- the suspension of the Toyota was not to my liking (to each his own) - I felt insecure going through the turns and that the GM style is outdated -- and that the Chrysler visibility sucks. As a matter of fact -- I had no idea when I drove it that the Toyota was in fact a Toyota -- I thought it was a Chrysler or Dodge -- way too much cheap looking plastic. It was only a week later -- at a focus group follow up that I was told it was a Toyota Avalon.
Actually -- the ONLY reason I bought the Montego -- was that I needed a car (My car at the time had 232K)-- it is large and it was a 2005 brand new leftover (in late 2006) with no miles -- and the price was right -- with a sticker of 31K and a price of 21K.
When you have the opportunity to drive all 4 vehicles -- in a span of 3 hours - over the same course -- you can make some very VALID conclusions.
#2298 of 6854 Re: ... [diecast61]
May 21, 2007 (4:02 am)
Which Avalon trim did you drive? I know that you mentioned that the markings were removed so its easy to tell other ways:
Cloth Int : XL
Black Leather : Touring
Wood trim: XLS
Limited: Perforated leather/wood steering wheel.
This is important because the Touring has a stiffer suspension and does handle a bit better, and the XL has 16" rims with higher profile tires so it is the softest of the bunch.
I have an '06 XLS and never felt insecure in any move at any speed (and I've pushed it). Maybe because of what I have driven over the years I am used to a softer ride.