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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 28, 2007 12:17 pm) Then in 1989 with a total redesign and a 160 HP engine it re-established itself as an even stronger sport sedan entry and distanced itself further from the new Cressida, which had continued its aim at luxury (and power with a 190 HP V-6). Again, in 1992, Maxima power was upped to 190 HP. It competed with and was found better than the 220 HP Ford Taurus SHO in the car magazines of the day. The Maxima SE continued to be the best value sports sedan up until the 1995 makeover in which it lost much of its sporting character.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 28, 2007 12:17 pm) |
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Replying to: floridabob1 (Mar 28, 2007 3:03 pm) I'm sure there are some who say it was a move of necessity for them to agree to the "merger" but I believe it was more of a cashout on their recent successes. Like it has been stated in the many rebuttals, MB has used nothing from Chrysler in their products so their reliability can't be linked to Chrysler. Captain's mention of CU's lowest reliability rating in relationship to the merger only only goes to the bias many feel they have toward "American" manufacturers. The whole argument is ludicrous since nearly all top management was shown the door immediately after deal went through. As for any Chrysler financial woes hurting MB reliability, I really don't see superior engineers or business moguls cutting costs on their flagship fleet, with tons of profit built in, to cover what you claim to be shoddy, cheap, and inferior products. While it could be argued that MB may not have been able to bring Chrysler production up to MB standards, there is no logical explanation as to how Chrysler could drag down MB. It is even arguable that MB was any better to start. As one of the other posters noted, "routine" maintenance for a MB has always been much more than the American version of routine. 
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Replying to: joe131 (Mar 28, 2007 3:48 pm) |
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Replying to: quietpro (Mar 28, 2007 3:56 pm) IMPO always thought that Chrysler was the low man on the 'American' quality totem pole anyway - followed by Ford and then GM perhaps on the top - but also a manufacturer that consistently was more innovative and styling conscious than the other two. 8-10 years ago (and earlier) there was a lot of solid reasons for this bias you oft mention, nowadays these 'perceived' quality differences have largely disappeared as far as assembly quality is concerned, and reside mostly in the drivetrains in which there simply is no comparison (yet) - and add to that these 'American' companies that continue to put more and more Americans out of work while the 'Japanese' cos. do exactly the opposite...
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Replying to: joe131 (Mar 28, 2007 3:48 pm) Prior to '02...it wasn't even about HP, it was more about who had the most durable product. Which one could design the better looking car. If you remember...the Maxima, Cressida, Camry and even the Avalon shared the same basic look. No, they didn't look alike, but you could tell that they were competing with each other with no doubt!!! Now it seems the standard for mid-sized cars is HP on the high 200's...seemingly moving towards the 300 HP range. Anything less...would be uncivilized!
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Replying to: allmet33 (Mar 29, 2007 5:33 am) That's really not the reason. Toyota was taking its time to develop a kick-a** V6 called 2GR.
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From the looks of this column it seems that we have seen the Japanese, German, American, and Korean autos discussed, but where are the Chinese??? Sorry guys, but if you aren't going to discuss things by the title, then change the title. I too am interested in all of these others, but I was looking for something that related to the Chinese vs Korean autos, where is that information found? All it takes is a few strokes of the keyboard to make the change.   
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Replying to: lightfootfl (Mar 29, 2007 5:51 am) The Chinese have yet to bring a car to market in the US. That is supposed to change in the near future. |
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Replying to: louiswei (Mar 29, 2007 5:41 am) Maybe it started with the dropping of the '02 Altima and it took Toyota 4 years to finally come up with something to contend. The point is...it's taken Toyota a while to finally realize they had to keep up. It's also a well known fact that Toyota is looking over their shoulder at Hyundai because they are realizing that Hyundai is quickly becoming a viable contender and instead of the Big 3, it'll be the Big 4.
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