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Buick Lucerne, Chevrolet Impala, Dodge Charger, Ford Taurus, Hyundai Azera, Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima, Pontiac G8, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#1204 of 6854 Re: Limited price ..........so what? [joe131]
Mar 04, 2007 (8:33 am)
To answer your 4 questions......
1)Yes, a brand new Azera LIMITED.
2)Yes, $23K OTD
3)The MSRP was > $27K
4)I bought it Fitzgerald Auto Mall in Clearwater. So what? Trade in or not, it is a mute point when it comes to their willingness to negotiate a price. Why? Well...........they don't negotiate, there prices are already set and there is no hassle or negotiations. Take it or leave it. Regardless if you financing the whole thing or paying cash or having a trade in involved, the sale price is the same and is on there Website as Internet Pricing. Ala Saturn way. The price they gave me was like $22.5K w/ the Loyalty discount (there was no financing discount). Obviously the trade in helped a lot in terms of taxes. I paid taxes on $6.5K instead of the entire $22.5K.
Any way, my point is.............. you can't get more car for the money than the Azera. Again, tell me what can you get from Toyota, Nissan and Honda for under $23K (around $22.5K)???
Here, I’ll do the homework for you. Instead of looking what can I get from Toyota, Honda and Nissan for under $23K I tried to find their prices for similarly equipped cars compared to the Azera Limited.
1) 2007 Toyota Avalon Touring (Not the Limited or not even the LX) 4dr Sedan
((no nav system and no blue tooth)) ((had to add Vehicle Stability Control option to match the Azeras’)
2) 2007 Toyota Camry XLE V6 (A6) 4dr Sedan ((no nav system and no blue tooth))
((had to add Vehicle Stability Control , Driver & Passenger Heated Seats
, Dual Exhaust, and the 17in alloy Wheels options to match the Azeras’)
3) 2007 Honda Accord 3.0 EX w/Auto 4dr Sedan ((no nav system and no blue tooth))((comes w/ XM radio Ok ok ok but….. 19HP less than the Azera)
4)2007 Acura TSX Base 4dr Sedan ((no nav system and no blue tooth))((comes w/ XM radio but it is worst than cousin, there is a more significant HP difference…..58hp less than the Azera)))
5) 2007 Nissan Maxima 3.5 SE 4dr Sedan ((no nav system and no blue tooth))
((had to add Leather seat option and the Sensory package to match the Azera))
6) 2007 Nissan Altima 3.5 SE 4dr Sedan (( in order to be able to select the Leather Package, the XM or Sirius option needs to be included…..ouch!!))
Of course you can get the Accord and the Camry for $23K but how many options you need to ignore to get there? Forget the Maxima, Avalon or even the anemic TSX you will have to buy an used 05-06 if you want to expend less than $23K.
#1205 of 6854 Re: CU 2007 Large Sedan ratings are out... [joe97]
Mar 04, 2007 (9:40 am)
I don't think features should be the reason for comparing the Camry / Avalon or Sonata / Azera. The size of vehicle you need should be the decision. For example, I would rather have a base model Avalon than a fully loaded Camry. Not that there is anything wrong with a Camry, just too small for me. A friend has a fully loaded Camry XLE V6 that was a touch over 30K, it has things my 34K Avalon XLS doesn't have. He was stunned that my car doesn't have smart key or bluetooth, but realized how much bigger the interior is and the better ride.
#1206 of 6854 Re: Limited price ..........so what? [jcm68]
Mar 04, 2007 (9:45 am)
"2) 2007 Toyota Camry XLE V6 (A6) 4dr Sedan ((no nav system and no blue tooth)) "
Bluetooth is STANDARD on all Camry XLEs.
You got some special "loyalty discount" that will not apply to 90% of buyers at that dealership and 99% of buyers would not go to that particular dealership anyway due to distance.
That is not a realistic nationwide price.
#1207 of 6854 Re: Limited price ..........so what? [jcm68]
Mar 04, 2007 (9:53 am)
hmm one thing you are failing to mention in comparison of toyota, honda, Nissan and Hyundai is resale value in 2+ years and even in 1 year. while for the first three you will get at least 50% I highly doubt that you will get more than 30% out of Azera
#1208 of 6854 Re: Limited price ..........so what? [jcm68]
Mar 04, 2007 (10:14 am)
Don't take this the wrong way, but when you trade a car in you really never know the actual price you paid for the new car. There are plenty of factors in a trade senario. They can lowball your trade and take more off the car, or they can put an overallowance on the trade and take nearly nothing off the new car. I agree with another poster in that your deal is not the typical deal people will find on the Azera.
#1209 of 6854 Re: Limited price ..........so what? [jcm68]
Mar 04, 2007 (10:39 am)
Good analysis. I traded an 00 Avalon XLS in on my 07 Azera Limited/Ultimate. The Azera is every bit the quality of the Avalon. I priced out a new Avalon and w/o Nav (which I do not want or need), I got my Azera for about $4,500 less than the best offer on an Avalon.
While I would say entry level (or even a little higher) luxury, I am happy to go with the large sedan designation. If you want to pay for the Toyota name, go ahead. If you want the best car for the money, go with the Hyundai, by a mile.
#1210 of 6854 Re: Limited price ..........so what? [jaymagic]
Mar 04, 2007 (11:47 am)
jaymagic: Hyundai has made tremendous strides in quality and will eventually be the next Toyota. However; in terms of quality, dependability and resale value---they have to first earn that reputation. A bsae 07 Avalon XL will retain about 39% of its MSRP vs 33% for the Azera Limited after 4 years. The Avalon XLS retains 42% at 48 month's. Go to www.cars.com and you can get the Residual Values for all cars and how they are clculated. They take in many factors and the American Leasing Group (ALG) is certainly a "benchmark" for determining residual value. The Azera is certainly a very nice car I'm sure--but---it is the "new kid on the block" in terms of competing long term with the Toyota Avalon. ALG ranks the Avalon as having the 3rd best Rsidual Value behind the Mini Cooper and Acura MDX. I always laugh when I hear about J D Powers ranking so and so as the best in initial quality--so--who's the "best" after the warranty is gone? Lexus and Toyota own the long term reliability reputaiton because they've earned it. Bob
Mar 04, 2007 (12:29 pm)
as all you know by now , the simplest way a company can get a high JD Powers ratings is have their dealers do following:
Dealer : hey, when you receive a review from JD powers, just bring it to me and you will get on of the following : free maintenance, oil change, gas, etc.
where it is important is forums, where real people talk about problem and you can get a general view of vehicle reliability.
since Hyundai talks a lot about JD its a suspect in it
#1213 of 6854 Re: Limited price ..........so what? [alexstore]
Mar 04, 2007 (12:51 pm)
A lower Hyundai resale value is quite likely for another three or four years, as the brand/model needs to favorably assert itself in the public's mind, as was the case for Honda and Toyota, when they decided to "stretch their legs" and go upscale. But for those of us who keep a car long term (20 years for my first Accord, 16 years + for my second Accord) resale value is of no concern...