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A week in a Max by tjc78
Apr 28, 2008 (5:54 am)
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I just got back from a business trip in which I was pleasantly surprised to be handed the key (fob actually) to a brand new Maxima (SE model). I am used to getting a base Impala or something equally as dull. Anyway, I haven't driven a Maxima since '06 before I bought my Avalon. First off the interior though improved is no where near the Avalons. Its smaller and the overall feel just isn't there for me. Not that it is awful, I just feel the Avalon is nicer. As for the drive I immediately noticed that it is significantly stiffer than my Avalon. The car is much flatter in curves and the steering is great. The trans was a CVT which is just ok for me. Much better than the CVT in the Ford 500 because the VQ engine has enough power to make it work. I still would prefer a traditional 5/6 speed. One thing Nissan has improved through the tranny and computer programming (I would guess) is the torque steer issues. This car had some but not nearly as bad as prior years.
 
So... the verdict? I still would pick my Avalon over the Max by a slim margin. Although the Max is a better handler it still is a big heavy FWD car that suffers from the same set of problems as my Avalon. My Avalon feels faster (probably is by a few tenths) and is quieter on the road. The CVT is just plain weird, especially went stomping on it at around 55 and the engine hits redline and just stays there. The car continues to pull strong, but you are just waiting for a shift that never happens. However, there was a manual mode and I guess I could get used to it.
 
Having said all that, I am now anxiously awaiting the '09 Maxima. With more power and a much better interior it could serve as a replacement for my Av. Currently its a nice ride, built well, and there is nothing bad I can say about the VQ. Its a tick noiser than the 2 GR in my Av but at least it sounds good. Overall, MPG was a tad over 21 (per the computer) and included a mix of city/hwy driving and quite a few full throttle excursions.
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Re: A week in a Max [tjc78] by tonycd
Apr 28, 2008 (10:44 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Apr 28, 2008 5:54 am)

Thanks, TJC. Always interested in seeing actual test drive impressions. Anyone else out there who has one, know you'll have at least one reader.
 
Especially interesting to hear they've quelled the torque steer. That was always said to be the bane of that entire generation of Alt/Max's.
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Re: A week in a Max [tjc78] by captain2
Apr 29, 2008 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Apr 28, 2008 5:54 am)

I found the SE Max trims to be substantially 'tighter/firmer' than any Avalon. The softer SL while adding a bit more std. bling produces a ride closer to the Av Touring but still well short of the isolation you get in the XLS/Ltd. A different demographic those 2 cars I would bet, the Maxima selling to a younger buyer?
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Re: A week in a Max [captain2] by tjc78
Apr 29, 2008 (7:30 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Apr 29, 2008 6:25 am)

No doubt the Avalon still draws an older crowd. I am not sure if its just because its a big car or the price or what. The Maxima probably grabs a lot of younger people that can afford a "G" but want the extra room the Max offers.
 
When I drove the Max in '06 I drove the SL model and I think you are spot on it saying that the ride compares to the Av Touring. The SE model may be a tad too firm for my tastes. However, the ride was far from jarring or harsh. I wonder if the new Max will offer two suspension options like the current model? Who knows, with Nissan going back to the "4DSC" theme they may even offer something more sporty and tightened up than the current SE.
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Re: A week in a Max [tjc78] by captain2
Apr 29, 2008 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Apr 29, 2008 7:30 am)

I, for one, would hate to see a personality change on the 09 Maxima, it is not a car that can likely compete with something like an Avalon - not that it is especially good or bad - just different.
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Re: A week in a Max [captain2] by tjc78
Apr 29, 2008 (1:03 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Apr 29, 2008 9:08 am)

I don't think you will. Nissan will always tend to be a little on the sportier side of things while Toyota and Honda build the more conservative vehicles. The Maxima does compete with the Avalon, but instead of saying which one might be better I think the ultimate decision will come down to driver preference.
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Re: A week in a Max [tjc78] by alexstore
Apr 30, 2008 (4:56 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Apr 29, 2008 1:03 pm)

I totally agree with you. As I wrote before, I had both Maxima and Avalon on my shopping list. Even though I still believe overall that Avalon is the best/ one of the best (if we include G8) car on this forum, Maxima met my needs in all aspects. Azera was not available at that time, but after driving / riding in one, even if it was available it did not offer me ( except for safety ), what I wanted in my car. Plus I never buy any car in its first year. Let some guys who like to pay more, spend time at the dealers fixing bugs.
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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus -- Half the Picture [cdmuile] by carolinabob
Apr 30, 2008 (1:14 pm)
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Replying to: cdmuile (Apr 14, 2008 6:38 pm)

Thank goodness Hyundai did not buy Jaguar. Jag is pretty and runs fast, but has very low reliability and very high repair costs. It would not help Hyundai become a really big player to saddle itself with an expensive, low volume, unreliable car.
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Re: 2010 Ford Taurus -- Half the Picture [carolinabob] by captain2
May 01, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Apr 30, 2008 1:14 pm)

while it is difficult to defend any British car in terms or reliability, I believe that you can point to the degree of sophistication in Jaguars (just like BMWs and MBs) as the real culprit for that checkered reliability. If there is one thing that Ford did help Jaguar do it probably is improving that reliability. Hyundai (as well as any of the other Korean mfgrs.) does not have a presence in the luxury end of things. Now they are seemingly wanting to get in that market - what better way then to call that car a Jaguar mark it up another $10 grand, and further try to insulate it from consumer reliability concerns with that infamous warranty of theirs? Win-win?
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If Hyundai had bought Jaguar, [carolinabob] by tonycd
May 02, 2008 (8:51 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Apr 30, 2008 1:14 pm)

my thought was that they'd mostly buy the brand and its image more than the cars. For instance, the Genesis in some guise would become a Jaguar, much as the unseen parts of the VW Phaeton are now the guts of a "Bentley." It's the upmarket image of the name Hyundai needs -- not, as you aptly point out, the engineering.

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