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Advice for new 03 owner? by mysonscar1
Nov 14, 2008 (12:41 pm)
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After lots of research on a sturdy vehicle for my high school senior's first car, we purchased a used 03 with 64K on it. Stupid me, the ONLY thing I didn't research was repair record. It's got 70K on it now and we honestly haven't had any problems (except rear window just died) but I know it needs a new serpentine belt...
Problem is, I'm in Bakersfield CA and there are no dealers here. Could anyone recommend a dealer in Valencia or Pasadena CA?
From everything I've read, we should consider trading this in and buying something else..but in the meantime, I know I need to do the required maintenance.
Any advice is welcomed. thank you! My son's car (my checkbook)
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HELP!!! by cyd68
Nov 14, 2008 (2:15 pm)
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I have a situation, I have a car note on a 2003 freelander. I can't make the payments on it anymore due to the cost of the repairs. I want to let the lien holder take it back. I do have a co-signer on the car, will that leave her liable? Also I wrecked the car, should I pay the deductible to get it fixed, it will cost me $500.00. My credit score is not good, would you suggest trading it in before I let the bank come and repo it. How much are you getting on the trade ins? I need advice. I don't want to hurt my co-signers credit.
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Re: HELP!!! [cyd68] by atalexa
Nov 14, 2008 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: cyd68 (Nov 14, 2008 2:15 pm)

If you let the vehicle go back to the bank they will come after the co-signer for the money, that's sort of the point of a co-signer. You should fix the car and try to either make your payments or trade it off for something else. A year ago, I got rid of my Freelander and paid about $4000 to get out of it. The amount a dealer was willing to pay for the trade-in was +/-$1000 less than various pricing guides stated as the trade-in value, so you may not be able to rely on those values.
 
My maintenance experience was similar to many others who have posted messages on this board...new transmission 500 miles out of warranty, windows that quit working, cooling system issues, etc. I got rid of it when it was having a good day.
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Re: Advice for new 03 owner? / HELP!! by sripley
Nov 14, 2008 (3:17 pm)
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Replying to: mysonscar1 (Nov 14, 2008 12:41 pm)

For the new 03 owner, you really should consider selling or trading it in soon, the Rear Window Regulator will cost you around $500 to fix and the repairs on this vehicle will only get worse if you are already at 70K miles. Please check the coolant level, if the head gasket failure occurs, that is how you can tell that problem is occuring. These vehicles were designed-flawed and every! one of the engines will eventually experience that issue, let alone the multitude of other issues. You really want to get rid of it as fast as you possibly can!
 
For the co-signer issue, yes if you stop paying on it, they will go after the cosigner for the payments and impact that persons credit. If you trade it in, I've read posts saying anywhere from $1000 (damaged vehicle) to $5000 (if it is in pristine condition, and the word is out on these vehicles, so Kellys Blue Book and other valuators dropped these vehicle values to next-to-nothing. You may want to see if the cosigner can be removed from the loan with the lender, sometimes they will allow that if you've made payments on-time and then you would be able to do what you planned. Otherwise, these vehicles are a legal fiasco waiting to happen and I dont know any easy ways out, other than consulting a lawyer for possible legal issues with the dealer or whomever sold you the Freelander.
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Re: Advice for new 03 owner? / HELP!! [sripley] by desertchildaz
Nov 14, 2008 (3:49 pm)
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Replying to: sripley (Nov 14, 2008 3:17 pm)

Am I correct in assuming GAP insurance would only be applicable in cases of theft, accident or fire? I mean, if my engine seized and the car could be claimed a "total loss" as a result, could I collect the gap insurance?
 
If not and I trade the car in, can't I also cancel my GAP insurance and my extended warranty and get a prorated refund on both the GAP insurance AND my extended warranty? (Remember, I only bought the car a year ago. I paid $600 for GAP and $2300 for a mid-grade 36K/36 mo extended warranty that has covered next to nothing.)
 
(People can knock GAP and it doesn't make sense for cars that keep their value but I know three people who were virtually saved from financial ruin because of GAP insurance.)
 
~ Kelly
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Re: Advice for new 03 owner? / HELP!! [desertchildaz] by tidester HOST
Nov 14, 2008 (11:42 pm)
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Replying to: desertchildaz (Nov 14, 2008 3:49 pm)

You should pose that question in the Gap Insurance discussion.
 
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Recommend an LA dealer for repairs? by mysonscar1
Nov 15, 2008 (10:06 am)
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I live in Bakersfield CA (roughly 110 miles northeast of Los Angeles) - the new owner of an 03. No dealer in our city. Anyone recommend a dealer in Valencia or this side of LA?
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Re: Recommend an LA dealer for repairs? [mysonscar1] by steve_ HOST
Nov 15, 2008 (3:33 pm)
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Replying to: mysonscar1 (Nov 15, 2008 10:06 am)

Check out this Edmunds Answers thread while waiting for responses in here.
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Re: Advice for new 03 owner? / HELP!! [sripley] by mysonscar1
Nov 15, 2008 (11:02 pm)
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Replying to: sripley (Nov 14, 2008 3:17 pm)

Ok, I appreciate the advice. I'll need to fix the rear window first, but then I'll make tracks to sell it or trade it in. I did notice today that the coolant level was very low. It does smell a bit in the car when you turn on the a/c or heat - does that mean the head gasket has already gone??
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Update by desertchildaz
Nov 20, 2008 (9:38 pm)
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Okay, just an update. As I mentioned, I owe $14,800 on my '03 Freelander and I'm trying to unload it by trading it in. I found an '09 Toyota that I want to buy, sat down, worked out a $5800 trade in (they would give NO MORE even though they have a 2002 Freelander out on the lot selling for $14,000. Crooks). Despite having a FICO in the mid 700's, I'm being told I need to put $6-8,000 down on the $20,000 car I'm buying because of the negative equity on the Land Rover. Apparently, these days, lenders are being so overly cautious that they will not loan more than 120% of the book price of the new car for someone with a mid-700 credit score. So, essentially, I'm having to pay off the LR to get the new car. Argghhh! I won't be able to come up with that money until the end of December when I get my Christmas bonus (which isn't even guaranteed in these times). So, needless to say, I didn't drive away with a new car. Still have my Land Rover and terrified to drive it in case something worse goes wrong with it before I can trade it in at the end of December. It sits in the garage and my boyfriend and I intend to commute in his car until the end of December.
 
On that note, reading these forums I see all the talk about the Class Action Suit. Nothing has been formally been submitted on that yet, has it?
 
Wouldn't it be more productive, in the meantime, if we created some kind of standard form letter that owners can fill out and submit to their state's respective consumer advocacy groups or Attorney Generals? I think the sheer NUMBER of similar letters they receive in the same format would have more of an impact than individual personal letters here or there. They would see a more organized group of affected consumers. The form could include a list of all related repairs that are epidemic on these cars (i.e. disappearing coolant, intake manifold, sunroof, engine replacement, transmission replacement, etc.) Each owner can check the boxes of those problems they experienced that are specific to this car. Each form would contain a field for vehicle model, purchase date, mileage at purchase, purchase price, extended warranty cost. Another section would include "Out-Of-Pocket Repair Expenses" and "Warranty Covered Expenses". Total Damages for purchase, repairs, etc. It would also contain a field for "Voluntary Repossession", "Negative Equity on Trade" or "Estimated Loss of Value". It would contain another section for mental anguish (loss of sleep, stress during operation,etc.), "Income Loss". A section for "Land Rover Relations" (Customer service issues), "Land Rover Acknowledgements and Recommendations" (Admissions by Land Rover representatives of Engine Defects and their Recommendations ("trade it in"). LR owners would attach receipts, additional comments and copies of correspondence with other agencies, lawyers and Land Rover. Maybe we can create a "committee" of sorts to design the form and post it online for people to download by State, with instructions for where it is to be send for that state, etc?
 
I think it's important that all of these forms be sent to the SAME person for each state....the Attorney General and copied to the equivalent Federal counterpart. I think that we would be more effective if we were more organized. The Class Action Suit is a good step but timely.
 
Of course, you should also submit a report to the NHTSB complaint site as well.

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