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Re: First Posting [desertchildaz] -- Reply [sripley] [desertchildaz] by sripley
Nov 11, 2008 (7:51 am)
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Replying to: desertchildaz (Nov 10, 2008 8:55 pm)

That was what I was afraid of, that if you have that large of a loan on the vehicle, telling the finance company at least makes them aware of the situation (even if they refuse or cannot help, it's always better than having them think nothing was an issue, just in case you ever ended up suing any of the parties or whatever).
 
I would really suggest talking to a lawyer about any and all options. That rapid devaluation and everything else about this whole mess just screams bad business and only through the legal channel will you be able to find any relief (correct, the loan company probably wont release you of the loan). I was told by the one attorney I spoke with to get all my service paperwork from the time I bought it, but in the end he couldn't do anything for me unless I paid the $7000-$10,000 to replace the engine (and he would try to recoup that cost in court). You bought the car used, so I would hope there would be some lemon law, liability issue on the dealer's owner (even if the dealer closed, there has to be some standing to sue), some means to go after the extended warranty company, or some other way the attorney might be able to help you. One person recently posted that CarMax who provided their warranty eventually settled on the vehicle after nearly 12 months of battling over the mess, maybe that is a possibility the attorney might suggest.
 
The only other ways out of the mess that I know all will destroy your credit, including voluntary repossession by financing company or bankruptcy.
 
I do wish you luck and hope you can rid yourself of the vehicle for some value without ruining your credit or resulting in being obligated for $15,000 on something that doesn't even work. This was the worst experience of my life, and I couldn't sleep for months because of it.
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Re: First Posting [desertchildaz] -- Reply [sripley] [desertchildaz] [sripley] by desertchildaz
Nov 11, 2008 (9:50 am)
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Replying to: sripley (Nov 11, 2008 7:51 am)

There is a lemon law that covers used cars in Arizona. Unfortunately, you need to keep the car until a settlement is agreed to. I can't register the car because of the emissions issue so it's stuck in the driveway and of no use to me. I can't maintain the loan on it and purchase another car (debt:income ratio will probably prevent me from getting another loan for another car anyway). What am I to do to get back and forth to work (a 35 mile roundtrip drive) until the dispute is settled? I'm in between a rock and a hard place. I think I'm just going to try to dump the car on a trade-in. In today's car market, I think I have some advantages since dealers are desperate to sell cars. I'll insist on 5K for the car on trade.
 
I am going to speak with the Better Business Bureau and see if I can't at least get them to have the parent company of the dealership refund me my extended warranty cost. That will give me another $1000 or so.
 
I have to pick up the car from Land Rover today. I am going to talk to my service guy, tell him what I know and see if LR can work out something with me...compensate me somehow - either by agreeing to a buy-back (not likely, I know, since they didn't sell me the car, even though they did manufacture it.) I might have to agree not to pursue the class action suit but I do plan to threaten them with it to see if I can get something back. If they refuse, I will proceed with the class action suit. I do know one thing: I will not agree, under any circumstances, to a new engine replacement. I'm done with this car and don't need these problems to renew themselves once the new engine starts acting up.
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Federal Emission Warranty by desertchildaz
Nov 12, 2008 (7:28 pm)
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Replying to: desertchildaz (Nov 11, 2008 9:50 am)

I think I found something that might help me and others, initially. As I mentioned, I am unable to pass emission in Arizona because my Service Engine Soon light is engaged, which is an automatic fail in Arizona. My Land Rover service team tells me that the only way to clear that light is to repair (for $2,000) by replacing my intake manifold and vacuum inserts. My extended warranty will not cover it.
 
When I picked up my car today, the cashier asked me to sign a group of documents that didn't match the document that I received as a receipt. I asked her to make me a copy of what I was signing and brought it home. It contains all the history on my car....back to the original owner in Oregon. Included is the following details:
 
Warranty Cover
Policy: Expires: Distance:
Corrosion Warranty 14 Nov - 2009 999999
Federal Emission Warranty 14 Nov - 2011 80000
Paint Warranty 14 Nov - 2007 50000
Standard Factor Warranty 14 Nov - 2007 50000
 
I looked up the Federal Emission Warranty here:
 
http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/warr95fs.txt
 
It states that my intake manifold should be replaced at the manufacturers expense.
 
Can someone else read over this and confirm that I am not reading it incorrectly??
 
I have 53,000 miles on my car.
 
Anyone know what a P002K code is? It appears as a Field Service Action at Land Rover Scottsdale 3 months before I bought the car.
 
I also now have the name of the original owner as well as phone number. Would it be inappropriate to contact that owner and find out if there was a particular mechanical reason he got rid of it only 1 year after buying it?
 
I still plan to get rid of the car, but I'd LOVE to see Land Rover have to pay the expense to fix those things before getting rid of it!
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Re: Federal Emission Warranty [desertchildaz] by desertchildaz
Nov 13, 2008 (8:52 am)
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Replying to: desertchildaz (Nov 12, 2008 7:28 pm)

I guess the most important question is: Does the Federal Emission Warranty cover the intake manifold for the vehicle's first 24,000 miles/24 months of life or first 24K/24 Mo of ownership? I bought it used one year ago and haven't gone 24K miles yet.
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Advice for new 03 owner? by mysonscar1
Nov 14, 2008 (12:41 pm)
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After lots of research on a sturdy vehicle for my high school senior's first car, we purchased a used 03 with 64K on it. Stupid me, the ONLY thing I didn't research was repair record. It's got 70K on it now and we honestly haven't had any problems (except rear window just died) but I know it needs a new serpentine belt...
Problem is, I'm in Bakersfield CA and there are no dealers here. Could anyone recommend a dealer in Valencia or Pasadena CA?
From everything I've read, we should consider trading this in and buying something else..but in the meantime, I know I need to do the required maintenance.
Any advice is welcomed. thank you! My son's car (my checkbook)
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HELP!!! by cyd68
Nov 14, 2008 (2:15 pm)
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I have a situation, I have a car note on a 2003 freelander. I can't make the payments on it anymore due to the cost of the repairs. I want to let the lien holder take it back. I do have a co-signer on the car, will that leave her liable? Also I wrecked the car, should I pay the deductible to get it fixed, it will cost me $500.00. My credit score is not good, would you suggest trading it in before I let the bank come and repo it. How much are you getting on the trade ins? I need advice. I don't want to hurt my co-signers credit.
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Re: HELP!!! [cyd68] by atalexa
Nov 14, 2008 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: cyd68 (Nov 14, 2008 2:15 pm)

If you let the vehicle go back to the bank they will come after the co-signer for the money, that's sort of the point of a co-signer. You should fix the car and try to either make your payments or trade it off for something else. A year ago, I got rid of my Freelander and paid about $4000 to get out of it. The amount a dealer was willing to pay for the trade-in was +/-$1000 less than various pricing guides stated as the trade-in value, so you may not be able to rely on those values.
 
My maintenance experience was similar to many others who have posted messages on this board...new transmission 500 miles out of warranty, windows that quit working, cooling system issues, etc. I got rid of it when it was having a good day.
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Re: Advice for new 03 owner? / HELP!! by sripley
Nov 14, 2008 (3:17 pm)
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Replying to: mysonscar1 (Nov 14, 2008 12:41 pm)

For the new 03 owner, you really should consider selling or trading it in soon, the Rear Window Regulator will cost you around $500 to fix and the repairs on this vehicle will only get worse if you are already at 70K miles. Please check the coolant level, if the head gasket failure occurs, that is how you can tell that problem is occuring. These vehicles were designed-flawed and every! one of the engines will eventually experience that issue, let alone the multitude of other issues. You really want to get rid of it as fast as you possibly can!
 
For the co-signer issue, yes if you stop paying on it, they will go after the cosigner for the payments and impact that persons credit. If you trade it in, I've read posts saying anywhere from $1000 (damaged vehicle) to $5000 (if it is in pristine condition, and the word is out on these vehicles, so Kellys Blue Book and other valuators dropped these vehicle values to next-to-nothing. You may want to see if the cosigner can be removed from the loan with the lender, sometimes they will allow that if you've made payments on-time and then you would be able to do what you planned. Otherwise, these vehicles are a legal fiasco waiting to happen and I dont know any easy ways out, other than consulting a lawyer for possible legal issues with the dealer or whomever sold you the Freelander.
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Re: Advice for new 03 owner? / HELP!! [sripley] by desertchildaz
Nov 14, 2008 (3:49 pm)
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Replying to: sripley (Nov 14, 2008 3:17 pm)

Am I correct in assuming GAP insurance would only be applicable in cases of theft, accident or fire? I mean, if my engine seized and the car could be claimed a "total loss" as a result, could I collect the gap insurance?
 
If not and I trade the car in, can't I also cancel my GAP insurance and my extended warranty and get a prorated refund on both the GAP insurance AND my extended warranty? (Remember, I only bought the car a year ago. I paid $600 for GAP and $2300 for a mid-grade 36K/36 mo extended warranty that has covered next to nothing.)
 
(People can knock GAP and it doesn't make sense for cars that keep their value but I know three people who were virtually saved from financial ruin because of GAP insurance.)
 
~ Kelly
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Re: Advice for new 03 owner? / HELP!! [desertchildaz] by tidester HOST
Nov 14, 2008 (11:42 pm)
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Replying to: desertchildaz (Nov 14, 2008 3:49 pm)

You should pose that question in the Gap Insurance discussion.
 
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