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Volkswagen Rabbit TDI (Diesel) - when will we get it?

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Re: TDI is the answer [gagrice] by vwgreg
Jul 10, 2009 (5:26 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 09, 2009 8:05 pm)

you are correct regarding the tiguan. the 2.0 diesel drivetrain will format with the car no problems. no emissions issues either. the only thing holding it back would be US demand and if vw can produce enough diesel engines as they satisfy the european market for diesels before they think about the US market.
this idiot who says the GTD wont be here in oct. absolutely has no idea what he is talking about. i can see the GTDs on my vw ordering site, however i cant activate an order for one yet.
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Re: TDI is the answer [gagrice] by moparbad
Jul 10, 2009 (6:59 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 09, 2009 8:05 pm)

2.0 TDI Tiguan will not pass emissions. Neither will the 2.0 TDI Passat. Both would require UREA system for the 2.0 TDI to enable certification.
 
Wait until October and we'll see who is more credible. I'd love to eat crow on this one as it would be fantastic if GTD was available.
 
I remember in 1997 when VW salespeople said there was absolutely going to be a 98 Passat TDI......
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Re: TDI is the answer [moparbad] by gagrice
Jul 10, 2009 (3:47 pm)
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Replying to: moparbad (Jul 10, 2009 6:59 am)

What is the difference between the 2.0L TDI in the Tiguan and the Jetta? Both are the same exact size and HP.
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Re: TDI is the answer [gagrice] by bhill2
Jul 13, 2009 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jul 10, 2009 3:47 pm)

I would guess that the problem is that the vehicle has to pass the standards, not the engine. In the Tiguan the engine has to work harder than in the Jetta, and so produces more byproducts; in this case enough more that it fails the standards.
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Re: TDI is the answer [bhill2] by gagrice
Jul 13, 2009 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: bhill2 (Jul 13, 2009 11:32 am)

I was assuming they tested the platform which I was thinking was the same. Though the AWD Tiguan would be different. Kind of like Honda was able to get the manual Transmission to pass the test with their diesel and not the Automatic.
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Re: TDI is the answer [bhill2] by jbaustian
Jul 13, 2009 (11:57 am)
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Replying to: bhill2 (Jul 13, 2009 11:32 am)

Once the engine passes in one vehicle, then it's just a matter of minor tweaking to get it to pass in others.
 
All the testing is done in an indoor lab on a rolling road aka dynamometer. So every test is identical, under identical conditions.
 
The Tiguan is a heavier vehicle so may require more power to achieve an equal speed at a particular point in the test. So it could consume more fuel and emit more byproducts of combustion than the same engine in a lighter vehicle.
 
Or maybe VWoA just doesn't know whether Americans will buy enough Tiguan TDIs with the 140 hp engine to make it worthwhile. Seems foolish to me, these are the same executives who came up with the Routan minivan, the EOS convertible, the Phaeton luxury sedan, and the Passat CC -- all of which were sales failures.
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Re: TDI is the answer [jbaustian] by gagrice
Jul 13, 2009 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: jbaustian (Jul 13, 2009 11:57 am)

You are right. The Tiguan is a big success with the gas engine. Should be even better with diesel.
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Re: TDI is the answer [vwgreg] by anowlan
Jul 15, 2009 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: vwgreg (Jul 08, 2009 6:04 am)

Can you see what options are available on the GTD?
 
We were at the local dealer on Saturday, drove the Jetta TDI to make sure that 140HP would be enough (wife has an A3 2.0T, so there WAS cause for concern.) It's not as fast as the A3, but peppy enough. Then we talked in general terms about ordering a 2010 Golf TDI Grey Metallic, Sunroof, Xenons, Nav, Dynaudio, iPod adapter. They couldn't order one on 7/10/09.
 
We'd rather the GTD. The salesperson seemed clueless- initially he said there wouldn't be a TDI Golf in 2010, then found the spec sheet that said there would be one at the same time as a product specialist brought us a postcard of one.
 
So, do you know what options will exist on the 2-door GTD? When do you anticipate being able to take orders?
 
Thanks.
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Re: TDI is the answer [anowlan] by vwgreg
Jul 15, 2009 (2:45 pm)
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Replying to: anowlan (Jul 15, 2009 12:18 pm)

I cannot tell for sure what the options will be on a GTD. i cannot order one yet either. when i look in my ordering website i can see no production of them thus far. i would speculate that i can get exacts on them in about 2 weeks and begin ordering them shortly thereafter.
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Re: TDI is the answer [vwgreg] by gagrice
Jul 15, 2009 (2:52 pm)
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Replying to: vwgreg (Jul 15, 2009 2:45 pm)

It would be good if VW could get the Golf TDI or GTD out in time to get some of the Clunker trades. That is if Hyundai does not pre sell all of them before the rules get sent out. Have you have many people wanting to trade an junker in on a Jetta TDI yet?

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