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65 messages, Last post on Sep 05, 2006 at 11:35 PM
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Replying to: backy (Jul 19, 2006 7:12 am) Yes but nowhere near as much as MB. http://www.autoserviceworld.com/article.asp?id=31153&issue=06012004 A Mercedes-Benz electronics vice president recently told an innovation symposium that it had already removed 600 electronic functions from its cars and that the process continues. In a 20-minute address, Stephan Wolfsried spoke against overloading the car with electronic functions that have no use for the customer. "Last year we removed over 600 functions from our cars - functions that no one really needed and no one knew how to use," Wolfsried said, according to Automotive News Europe. Because of failing integration into the overall electronics infrastructure, they only tend to cause the malfunctioning of really important electronic parts, he said.
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 19, 2006 6:05 am) That is precicely what the problem is (But Hummer isn't built by Land Rover BTW). I remember reading news stories from USAToday and the likes reporting the same thing.
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 19, 2006 4:30 am) the best way to determine is talk to a trusted mechanic. Someone who knows cars and has worked on them and has access to more data then you and I. Ford's new cars are very nice. the warranty will help. You only go to extended warranties when there is a consumer confidence issue. Hyundai had to do after the disatrous Excel of the 80's and 90's. Chrylser had to do it to restore faith in their transmissions. The good thing is Ford does have some good products on the lot and in the pipeline. Of course it does not help today's owners and their bad experiences influences future sales more than an extended warranty. Ford has to really step it up with the engines and reliability. No excuse (other than pre-exisitng contracts that needed to be fulfilled) to introduce the 500 and Freestyle with a leftover Taurus engine. They should be embarassed by the Freestar. NO better than the troublesome Windstar and a 4.2 L engine that only produces 201 hp and worst fuel efficiency then the leaders. Too many reported trannies dying at only 40k miles and Ford is not backing the owners. The Explorer at one time was the definition of the mid-size SUV. No longer. Go read that forum and see all the problems brewing there. the Focus....let's not go there. Like you mention, Mustang, 500 and Fusion are better but only time will tell how they hold up. Is this enough to stop the bleeding?
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 19, 2006 7:18 am) These electronics could have helped reduce weight and effeciency of the cars, now that MB cars are getting degenerated to the state of other cars in the marketplace, they will loose there last toehold to the reputation the three pointed star once had. Its OK, GM and Toyota will take over. Meybe Lincoln if ford does the right thing, and cans all the luxury divisions nameplates and makes Lincoln the size and scope of MB, bieng made in facotries were all the jags and LR's are made. It will also reduce costs. And to the naysayers about the warrentee, please buy a 2007 Camry, be sure to go to a dealer whos next to a good mechanic 
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jul 19, 2006 9:31 am) I never said they were. I was saying that some of the "problems" being reported by LR owners might be poor fuel mileage just like the Hummer owners. |
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jul 19, 2006 9:50 am) They had a really good excuse for releasing the 500 with the 3.0L engine - the 3.5 was 2 years late to market and they needed new cars. Same with the Zephyr. Why the 3.5L was 2 years late is another discussion. Ford does seem to be taking a long time to get things to market. I suspect the delays are partially responsible for the increased quality but at some point you have to speed things up.
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 19, 2006 10:27 am) I understand why they released the 500 with the 3.0 L engine but I would not call it a good excuse. Instead they release a decent car when they needed an AWESOME car which it would have been with the 3.5L. This is why the Fusion is so appealing. They had all the right pieces for the launch. Whether it holds up, only time wil tell. The longer warranty will definitely help the Fusion since it already is competitive with the top cars. Ford is in the same boat as GM. The market changed quickly and neither one was prepared. They were fat and happy off their SUV and pickup sales of the 90's. They both need to change how they operate. it's not the 50's or even the 80's anymore. There are more choices on the market. their companies have to be leaner and more adaptable. they are no longer the innovators. Both have allowed labor and contract issues to dictate their product line instead the product itself. Both companies still have a lot of work to do, it will get uglier before it gets better. The good thing for Ford is they have good products (500, Fusion, Mustang, even the Freestyle) on the lot. I can't say the same for GM. No reason for me to visit a Chevy, Saturn, Buick or Pontiac dealership. |
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My credit union acts as an intermediary for extended warranties. So I can compare prices on identical warranties for different cars. Since the warranty company is in business to make money, I think this is a pretty good indicator. For their most comprehensive, 7 year/100,000 mile, no deductible warranty price is $1292 for Fusion/Milan and $1020 for Honda Accord. Ford seems to be doing very well on this to get a price that close to one of the benchmarks for reliable cars.
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 19, 2006 12:51 pm) Also I wouldn't use the price of the extended warranty as the only gauge of reliability. It could be a big mistake.
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Jul 19, 2006 1:25 pm) It is one gauge...not the only one. It does have the advantage of including some measure of the significance of problems because it looks at cost not number of problems. OTOH, it soes not tell you if car was in 25 times under warranty. "Reliability" is not really an issue I pay much attention too. Almost all cars are pretty reliable these days. IF the extended warranty cost is way out of line then it is a concern...ran into that when my wife considered a Jaguar x-type.
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