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50 messages, Last post on Mar 21, 2007 at 4:39 PM
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Replying to: backy (Jul 18, 2006 7:23 pm) Actually, the latest rumor is that Ford will unveil the next-generation Fiesta as early as NAIAS Detroit in January 2007, since Ford has said the next model will be sold in the USA (it'll be assembled in Mexico at one of Ford's Mexican assembly lines). |
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Replying to: backy (Jul 18, 2006 7:23 pm)
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Replying to: flightnurse (Jul 18, 2006 9:34 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 19, 2006 4:13 am) The Mazda3 is a Hatchback and it sells VERY well.. The Mazda3 isn't in the same catagory as the Fit,Yaris or Versa. The Focus ZX5 has been selling very well, and I think it would sell better if it had the same platform as the Mazda3. My take on the American car companys is this, if they want to survive they need to make cars like the Fit and Versa. My last car was a 2000 Ford Contour. One of Fords "world cars" granted I had for 6 yrs and never left me stranded. But it wasn't screwed together very well. The Focus is put together the same as my Contour, since it was part of that "World Car" Campiane. Mazda3's are selling very well and I think the same would happen for the Focus.. GM's cobalt is a joke, my Versa is a FAR better car and more technology for the same money... Both GM and FORD need to see these new cars from Nissan and Honda and be scared... With the Arrival of the new cars from Nissan for 07, GM and Ford need to watch thier backs...
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Replying to: flightnurse (Jul 19, 2006 6:21 am) Most Mazda3's I see on the road are sedans, and overall sales aren't that large compared to compacts like Focus, Cobalt, Civic, and Corolla. Also I see very few ZX5's on the road. Anyway, I suppose we should get back to the Versa... |
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Replying to: backy (Jul 19, 2006 7:04 am) The Current Focus and 07 Focus both have HUGH incentives to buy, before buying my Versa, I almost bought a 06 ZX5 SES, MSPR was $17,400 but the dealer was willing to sell it to me for $14K... NOw if someone is on a tight budget the ZX5 looks like a great deal, but its not, its a 6 yr old car with a midlife redesign in 05. Same Engines, tranny, the car can't compete with the Versa. I'm glad I bought my Versa its a MUCH better car... I have no idea why the European Focus doesn't come here, its being sold as a Mazda3 and Volvo S40 & V50 here in the states. Tony 
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Replying to: flightnurse (Jul 19, 2006 9:51 am) Kinda hard to imagine the C1 being worse than that, heh.
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Replying to: heel2toe (Jul 19, 2006 10:01 am) Tony |
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Replying to: flightnurse (Jul 19, 2006 9:51 am) In 2004 the same motor was rolled out nationally (only PZEV in green states), but displacement dropped to 2.0. Still, HP jumped 6.0 over the prior Zetec (in non-green states - in green states you got PZEV and 150,000 mile emisssions warranty, but no extra HP). The Duratec 20 and 20E, as they are designated, are lauded for smoothness and wide power band. In 2005, the stodgy sedans were stodgy no more - they also got the Duratec 2.0. Since formerly they languished with a 2 valve per cylinder, 115 HP engine, the upgrade was enormous. Mileage was, however, great with the stodgy engine - 27/36 with stickshift. With the more powerful Duratec, mileage dropped to 26/34 in 2005 and 2006. For 2007, mileage jumps back to 27/37, some of the most awesome American mileage figures since the Neon. With no horsepower loss! If you follow the Ford press releases over the years, there has been a lot of other subtle work on the car - they moved the sedans to 15" wheels (getting rid of the former 14") and were able to increase the front disc brake diameter which helped a lot with braking power and wear. They redid some parts of the front steering rig (I forget which pieces exactly) to improve the already fine handling). Consumer Reports, notoriously hard to please, Recommends the Focus, and commends it for having some of the best small car handling (with special nods to the steering) handling around. The car needs a serious styling update, I agree. The ZX3 held my interest for a long time, but it HAS been an 8 year model run without a major update (the minor refresh was SO minor - except for the interior - that in hindsight I am surprised any of us noticed it). BUT Ford made a wise decision not to go with the revised European/Japanese platform - first, the change in Europe was made primarily to allow AWD, which is justified for this car in a marketplace where it is perceived more like a Toyota Camry here (big, in other words!); second, none of the cars that I have seen that use the new platform have the "sit high" seating postion used to great advantage in the American Focus - the Mazda3, for example, returns to a "low slung" feel. Given the MANY refinements and incremental changes over the years, IMHO the Focus is one of the BEST small cars out there - 100,000 mile powertrain warranty, PZEV emissions in green states, smooth powerful engine, slick manual transmission, etc. What Ford needs to do, is to follow GM's lead and "reprice" the Focus - it is simply overpriced in comparison to the Cobalt, for example, and only excessive rebates bring it back to a meaningful price point. MSRP Focii are overprice; TMV Focii are a bargain. The Versa, in comparison, has a lot of "newness", and that is great, BUT Nissan under cost-cutting Ghosn has a poor recent quality control record and defect rate - just check the JD Powers and Consumer Reports quality surveys. So the jury is out on the Versa for at least a few months of feedback here.
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Replying to: micweb (Jul 19, 2006 10:19 am) Tony |
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