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Tesla Roadster, Alternative Fuels, Concept Cars, Future Vehicle, Coupe, Convertible
#220 of 259 Re: The Tesla at $50,000 ???? [mr_hybrid]
Jun 27, 2007 (8:48 pm)
"Pricing such a nice car out of reach is a strange idea"
Tell that to Toyota. It's not really Tesla's fault, it's because of the batteries and the other expensive equipment under the hood. Plus, it's not mass-produced like most cars.
They plan to release another car in a couple years with a price of $50,000, about twice the price of a Prius, half the price of the Roadster. They said they'll have the $50,000 one be a weaker version and a better version for $65,000.
They raised the price of the car, from $92,000 to $98,000.
I hope Phoenix will have a car around $25,000 to $30,000.
#221 of 259 Re: The Tesla at $50,000 ???? [knightskye]
Jun 28, 2007 (4:25 am)
I hope Phoenix will have a car around $25,000 to $30,000
Phoenix announced recently that they've begun work on a plug-in hybrid. I don't know if that's something that interests you but my guess is it will have a better chance of being in the $25-30k price range than a pure BEV, at least in the near term.
#222 of 259 Re: The Tesla at $50,000 ???? [tpe]
Jun 29, 2007 (2:08 am)
It will be nice to have more options available in the form of plug in hybrids. Personally, although I think BEVS will be the long term solution, I think that PHEV's will be the best short term solution. All we need is the price of the batteries that have a large number of recharge cycles available to be affordable/available (I'm thinking Altair, A123, or EEStor).
#223 of 259 Re: The Tesla at $50,000 ???? [michael2003]
Jun 29, 2007 (4:14 am)
The first Teslas should be delivered in a few months. It will be interesting to see what kind of reduction in charge capacity these owners experience after a year. IMO, it needs to be under 5% for those battery packs to have much of a future.
While I hope that I'm wrong I have serious doubts that we'll see anything from EEStor in the near future.
#224 of 259 Re: The Tesla at $50,000 ???? [tpe]
Jun 29, 2007 (7:18 pm)
"It will be interesting to see what kind of reduction in charge capacity these owners experience after a year. "
Well, assuming they don't drive their Roadster 100,000 miles the first year, none. They said 500 recharges, and at 200 miles, that's 100,000 miles of no reduction in charge capacity. After that, they said reduction would be minimal. What I'm wondering is the average period of time when owners have to replace the battery, since it currently costs about, what, $20,000? Whatever. If they can afford the car, they can afford to buy another battery after 7-8 years of use.
I think we will see something from EEStor. They're keeping a low profile. So low there's only like, three articles about them, heh. They just don't want people going nuts about them until there's something to go nuts about. We have other options if they don't deliver.
#225 of 259 Re: The Tesla at $50,000 ???? [knightskye]
Jun 29, 2007 (7:43 pm)
If you plug your Tesla in every night that is not even a year and a half of recharges. If you go from a full charge to dead you get 200+ miles. Most will not try to run it out to the max. I also was under the impression the Li-Ion batteries in the Tesla were $50K plus. Batteries for the ancient RAV4 EV were right at $30k and they are the much cheaper NiMH.
#226 of 259 Re: The Tesla at $50,000 ???? [gagrice]
Jun 30, 2007 (6:28 am)
Tesla has stated that the battery system currently runs about 20k and they estimate that a replacement system with a larger range capacity should be around 12k by the time a replacement is needed. Of course, we need to acknowledge that the future is speculative and it could be either much better or worse and we just won't know for sure until we get there. If the PHEV and BEV market takes off, I believe it will greatly increase the likelihood that the future will be much better price/capacity wise.
#227 of 259 Re: The Tesla at $50,000 ???? [gagrice]
Jul 02, 2007 (5:05 am)
If you plug your Tesla in every night that is not even a year and a half of recharges
A charge cycle is defined by a complete discharge/charge. If you plug it in at night and the battery pack still had 4/5ths of its charge left then you would have only used up 1/5 of a cycle that night. With Li-ion I don't think that number of charge cycles is the big question mark. It's calendar life.
#228 of 259 Re: The Tesla at $50,000 ???? [tpe]
Jul 02, 2007 (5:57 am)
That would be my guess also. I doubt you would completely discharge the battery very often. You would have it floating at full charge most of the time if you plug it in whenever you are not driving it.
#229 of 259 The Tesla Roadster
Nov 28, 2007 (10:23 pm)
Sure the Tesla Roadster is pricey, but what limited production, hand built auto isn't. I mean let's keep it in perspective. The Viper goes for $85,000.00 plus. Then if you get into the exotics, $98,000.00 will get you a test drive. Battery technology has jumped immensely in the last 5 years, just ask the guy who races electric R/C cars for a hobby. What will the next 5 years bring? The Tesla roadster is a quantum step in the right direction, and the approach they are taking makes sense. Proceeds from the roadster will be used to R&D a car for the masses, and might this just be the spark to light a fire under the Big Three's collective posteriors. I mean, would they really want to be shown up by some upstart new car company. As far as being bought out by someone else, at this point I kind of doubt it as Tesla Motors is getting the attention of all the right people, including the politicians in Washington D.C. There are definetely some people that believe in the project, if not why would the guy responsible for creating Paypal have invested $37 million of his own money. I have to be optimistic, after all I am sick and tired of being raped and gouged by the oil companies for over 30 years, and having a government that won't do anything about it. I applaud Tesla Motors for their efforts.