Last post on Apr 29, 2009 at 10:10 PM
You are in the Toyota FJ Cruiser
What is this discussion about?
Toyota FJ Cruiser, Toyota 4Runner, SUV
#14 of 23 Re: FJ vs. 4Runner [cloned_2_death]
Jul 09, 2006 (9:04 am)
Your points are right on and I have also posted similar content... numerous times. I did want to add that 4Runners currently sell around $2k under invoice (more or less). For example, a local no haggle-dealership posts these kinds of prices for a 4DR SR5 Sport V6: Delivered Internet Price: $28,719; Factory Invoice: $30,488; MSRP: $33,690. Like yourself, I also like the Sport but in most markets Toyota does not offer side curtains with the Sport which is pretty disappointing !
Interestingly, the same dealership prices FJ as Delivered Internet Price: $27,717; Factory Invoice: $26,304; MSRP: $28,955. Frankly, it is very easy for many of us to justify the extra $1k. Clearly, FJ prices are too far ahead of themselves!
Gagrice: All makes make problematic vehicles... some make more than others... and almost all stealerships suck! It also may not be very reasonable to compare a 12 year old vehicle to something built today. IMHO: Toys are best because they (typically) require almost no dealer visitation!
#15 of 23 Re: FJ vs. 4Runner [cloned_2_death]
Jul 09, 2006 (9:23 am)
I went with option 2. One of the "pros" that you didn't mention is that you'll have $20k to deal with the admitted "cons" for that option.
I do like the idea of Toyota coming out with an FJ Classic styled after the FJ40... Coke did it after their "New Coke" debacle. There is hope. And if they don't, one thing that is definitely going to happen is that the demand for the old FJ40's will go up with the increased attention that the FJC is getting. Not looking to sell, but nice to think that the "investment" could pay off in the long term.
#16 of 23 Re: FJ vs. 4Runner [cloned_2_death]
Jul 09, 2006 (1:12 pm)
in the FJ40 cons you forgot to mention awful m.p.g., 0-60 eventually [never uphill], terrible road noise, rides like a truck designed in the 50's would. Still a great 2nd. vehicle as long as you dont have too long a drive.
I've yet to see a soccer mom in an FJ. Around here [So Cal] the majority of drivers are young guys.
#17 of 23 Re: FJ vs. 4Runner [abraindrainer]
Jul 09, 2006 (10:37 pm)
It also may not be very reasonable to compare a 12 year old vehicle to something built today.
It was new in 1994. And my 1993 Chevy was a lot better built. The clutch went out at 12k. Of course that is not covered. $900 down the Toyota toilet. I am not a late comer on buying Japanese. I bought the first of the Land Cruisers to hit CA in 1964. Mine was the small window FJ40, very rare today. My only mistake was selling it. I should have done what all the 4 wheelers were doing. Dump the Toyota POC engine and put in a Chevy small block.
At the time Datsun was superior to Toyota. The Datsun Patrol was much better built. But more expensive. I bought a 1970 Datsun PU that was a great little truck. Toyota and Honda both are living on recent glory. They built a LOT of crap vehicles over the years. I feel I gave them 3 shots and they missed the target with all three.
Now for me and my nostalgic look back they missed again with the FJ Cruiser. Oh well, I got more vehicles than I need anyway.
#18 of 23 Re: FJ vs. 4Runner
Jul 10, 2006 (9:58 pm)
FJs are based on the Prada platform not $Runner. A trac alone makes the FJ far superior off-road, but most people here will never use it.
The 4Runner starting in 2001 had ATRAC and the FJ is based of the 4Runner/Prado (overseas Landcruiser) platform. I like my comparison of the "classic" 3rd gen 4Runner vs the FJ. Their size is comparable, although the FJ has some off-road advantages (32" tires, ATRAC/rear locker combo, better approach/departure angles). The 4R has 4 real doors, more storage space, can go probably 95% of the places the FJ can, and you can sleep in it--as I did in my 2002 this past weekend. IMO, either one is a good choice depending on what you want. They are Toyota trucks after all.
#19 of 23 Re: FJ vs. 4Runner [gagrice]
Aug 07, 2006 (10:54 am)
OK 5th GM since 1988?
I still have my 1982 FJ60 LandCruiser and it runs perfect no rebuild.
Where is your 1988 GM?
#20 of 23 Re: FJ vs. 4Runner [surfponto]
Aug 09, 2006 (6:28 am)
Where is your 1988 GM?
My ex in-laws are still driving it. I bought it in Seattle and drove it back to Alaska. They needed a 4X4 and I sold it to them in 1990, flew back down and bought a new one. Then In 1993 I sold the 90 for nearly what I paid for it 3 years earlier. Buying vehicles in Alaska is very expensive. Went to the same Chevy dealer in Seattle and bought a 1993. They were all extended cab 3/4 ton 4X4 long bed trucks. I would still have the 1993 if I had not hit a big buck in Sun Valley Idaho. I did not want to wait around for repairs so I traded it for a 1999 Suburban in June of 1998. When I sold the Suburban last year it only had 46k miles on it. I should have kept it as the new GMC is not nearly as well built. The engine is more powerful and the truck drives and runs good. Just too tinny built for me. Kind of like the FJ Cruiser I went and sat in. TOO Much Plastic!
My 1964 Toyota Land Cruiser had to have 3 valve jobs and 3 new timing gears in 50k miles. I wish I still had it. It was the small window version. They are worth about 10 times what I paid new in 1964. It was very rugged built. Toyota did not know how to build good engines back then.
#22 of 23 Re: FJ vs. 4Runner [voodoofx]
Jul 31, 2007 (4:02 am)
"I've yet to see a soccer mom in an FJ. Around here [So Cal] the majority of drivers are young guys."
Who wants to buy a vehicle that has to get the Soccer Mom stamp of approval. I would rather get a vehicle that is fun for me. As a single guy who likes the odd weekend adventure and still lives in the City, it has all the practibility I am looking for. Who cares who sits in the back anyway.
I am really surprised there are so many people here on the FJ Cruiser and Toyota forum that are just bashing the FJ and Toyota. Why aren't you just posting how great your vehicles are on the boards that represent them rather be negative here?
#23 of 23 tring to find parts
Apr 29, 2009 (10:10 pm)
I have a 1970 FJ40 with a 3 on the tree and I need the find a turn signal lever mine is broke off most are floor shifters and theirs are different any on e have one.