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#202 of 211 Re: Hybrid vs. non-hybrid? [kdhspyder] by larsb May 29, 2009 (8:34 am)
Replying to: kdhspyder (May 29, 2009 8:27 am) This was obviously premature and incorrect information:   March 2009 delivery date for 2010 Camry hybrid - say wha?   Shortly after their official premiere at the Detroit Motor Show in January, Toyota announced pricing for the updated 2010 Camry and Camry Hybrid midsize sedans that will begin arriving at dealers in March 2009. The gasoline model's base MSRP will range from $19,395 for the Camry sedan with a new six-speed manual transmission to $29,045 for a fully equipped XLE with a six-speed automatic transmission. The Camry Hybrid carries a price tag of $26,150. Overall, the Camry's MSRP represents an overall increase of $281 or 1.2 percent over the 2009 MY.   2010 Toyota Camry and Camry Hybrid The most significant change on the 2010 Camry concerns the introduction of a new 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine for the standard, LE and XLE grades with 169-horsepower that can be combined with a six-speed manual transmission (excluding XLE) or a six-speed automatic transmission with sequential shift. Furthermore, the SE grade gets additional tuning and 179-horsepower, 21 more than its predecessor.   Toyota claims that fuel economy is improved with EPA fuel economy estimates of 33 mpg highway, 22 mpg city and 26 mpg combined for the 2.5-liter four cylinder engine with the six-speed manual transmission.
#203 of 211 Re: Hybrid vs. non-hybrid? [cdn_tch] by kdhspyder May 29, 2009 (8:34 am)
Replying to: cdn_tch (May 29, 2009 6:19 am) Of course one could compare any two vehicles...even a bicycle... which is also a valid choice depending on conditions. But if one is willing to compare unequals like a basic LE and a TCH then why not compare a basic new LE to a slightly used TCH where the price is the same?   I'd buy a 1 or 2 y.o. TCH in a heartbeat rather than buy a basic LE Camry. To me that's a no brainer; same cost, more features, more power, far better fuel economy.
#204 of 211 Re: Hybrid vs. non-hybrid? [texastownhall] by lzc May 30, 2009 (7:08 am)
Replying to: texastownhall (May 28, 2009 5:32 am) Yep, at today's gas prices, the higher priced TCH will not pay for itself with gas savings. My 2007 TCH cost about $7,000 more than a base Camry (but Fed & state tax credits returned $3,000 of that).   After adding up the accessories standard to the TCH but additional cost on the base model, the hybrid system alone was roughly $1,800. Of course, if you don't want those goodies, then they're just an extra cost with little extra benefit. If you do, then the price gap is something less than your $6,000.   Pushing the "peddle to the metal" will cause both power sources to kick-in. The TCH will merge faster on a freeway than the I4 engine Camry. The TCH drives like a heavier car, which it is. It feels front heavy to me, but the weight distribution is actually better than the base Camry (batteries in the trunk).   On a cost efficiency basis, I think the TCH choice is hard to argue. One has to want something more than the best car for the fewest dollars spent. Good luck.
#205 of 211 Re: Hybrid vs. non-hybrid? [kdhspyder] by texastownhall Jun 08, 2009 (5:33 am)
Replying to: kdhspyder (May 28, 2009 10:04 am) Okay. I understand about Hybrid being more like XLE than LE. So from that perspective you guys made a good buy.   But for me, I am looking for reliable mid-size family sedan at a reasonalbe price and low cost to own. That is why I am looking for good gas mileage.   It doesn't make sense to me to paying thousands of dollars more upfront for options that I don't necessariry need to save 5-10 mpg.   You can buy 09 Camry LE for around $17K.   Air (summer), power windows (toll booth), and power locks (standard nowadays) are options I want. Everything else, to some yes, but to me, it's not worth it. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Jun 08, 2009 6:13 am) acdii (Jun 11, 2009 4:56 am) kdhspyder (Jun 11, 2009 4:21 pm)
#206 of 211 Re: Hybrid vs. non-hybrid? [texastownhall] by kdhspyder Jun 08, 2009 (6:13 am)
Replying to: texastownhall (Jun 08, 2009 5:33 am) OK then here's a better solution.   Get a Certified Preowned Camry Hybrid for $20000 ( instead of $26000 ) and get all the features of an XLE and get far better fuel economy and get a better warranty.   DING!!
#207 of 211 Re: Hybrid vs. non-hybrid? [texastownhall] by acdii Jun 11, 2009 (4:56 am)
Replying to: texastownhall (Jun 08, 2009 5:33 am) If you are looking for a good Mid size sedan, check out the Ford Fusion. Compared to the Camry, hands down a better car(sorry Toyota). From the reviews so far on the 2010 Fusion, looks like every one who has one loves it. I sat in a 2010 Fusion Sport edition, and OMG what a huge difference between the ford and Toyota, made my Camry feel cheap. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Jun 11, 2009 4:21 pm)
#208 of 211 Re: Hybrid vs. non-hybrid? [acdii] by kdhspyder Jun 11, 2009 (4:21 pm)
Replying to: acdii (Jun 11, 2009 4:56 am) Yep this is the normal 'advancement' of the model lineup. The new Fusion now is the hottest vehicle in the segment for a lot of reasons. Soon the others will also have updated models out in the next year or two and they will leapfrong the Fusion. Then in 5 yrs the Fusion will leap over the others again. Rinse, Wash, Repeat.
#209 of 211 The new 2.5 engine by ctl Jun 12, 2009 (1:49 pm)
Anyone knows if and when the new 2.5 engine will make it to the camry hybrid?
#210 of 211 Things to improve by brunnegd Jun 15, 2009 (3:30 pm)
I have had my 09 TCH for two weeks, so I am still learning, but here are a few comments. 1. Ability to disable the auto door locks. This was almost a deal breaker. But I am already tired of having to push the unlock button everytime I shift out of P. 2. Control of the fuel consumption readout. It only reads miles per tank, which is not what I am interested in. Ability to reset when desired would be more useful. 3. Finer control on the intermittent wiper settings. one per 3 seconds is too fast. A min of one per 10 sec would be much better, with about 6 total settings. Replies to this message: acdii (Jun 16, 2009 9:05 am)
#211 of 211 Re: Things to improve [brunnegd] by acdii Jun 16, 2009 (9:05 am)
Replying to: brunnegd (Jun 15, 2009 3:30 pm) The doors do unlock when you put it in park. Do you really want your doors unlocked while driving around? That feature was added to prevent carjackings.

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