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Replying to: jcihak (Jun 20, 2008 7:57 am) http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/39rv1e.pdf Just because it doesn't apply in the US doesn't mean that an international manufacturer won't adopt it. Indeed it doesn't say 3mph high, but says that the error must be 0 ≤ (V1 - V2) ≤ 0.1 V2 + 4 km/h where V1 is the displayed speed and V2 is the actual speed, so the error can be -0 to 4kph+10%. The US Federal standard is not referenced in the Wikipedia article, so I can't verify it. The article states "Modern speedometers are said to be accurate within 5% but as this is legislated accuracy, this may not be entirely correct." and why isn't "legislated accuracy" "entirely correct"? Also I doubt that the federal law would allow for speedometers to read low. That would cause problems for (speeding) law enforcement. So for the OP's case of 30mph reading 34, that would be 10% plus 1mph which is less than 4km/h, so it would be within spec. I've found in the cars I've owned that the speedometer always reads high, but the odometer is quite accurate, usually within 1% (<0.1 mile measured over 10 miles). |
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Replying to: hflorance (Jun 19, 2008 9:02 am) I started my third set of tires at 49,000 miles. The first two sets were Bridgestones (loud and did not last 25,000 miles) |
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Picked up my 09 TCH last Saturday, and have put my first 1,000 miles on it already. Love this car. Quiet, roomy, comfortable, and fuel efficient as heck. I have already beat the dealer posted mileage of 50 mpg (imperial gallons in Canada, so the number looks really big) I got rrd of my 04 4WD Tundra cause it was getting ridiculous: $600 -800 per month in gas. I loved the big truck, but I could no longer stomach the mileage, so when the lease was up it went back. Couldn't be happier - a friend bought the new VW Jetta the week before and I drove it - nice car, but I kept looking at the mpg readout of 7.9 l/100 km (36 mpg) and knew I was going to beat that by a bunch. So far I am averaging 5.6 l/100km (51 mpg) and I know I am going to get better than that as I learn the sweet spot. Its mostly flat where I live, and I can run in EV for the last 5km home each day. I also do a fair amout of stop 'n go on the highway; another sweet spot for the TCH. I walked into Burlington Toyota (in Ontario) and got a fleet price (about $2,200 off MSRP). I had to wait for 2 weeks until it was built but they extended my lease for free so it didn't inconvenience me. Car came in 3 days early, and they had it prepped in under 2 hours. fabulous experience at the dealer; would recommend them to anyone in the area. |
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I have an 09 TCH and love it. Got it for $100 over invoice, but the owner is a neighbor of mine and he helped a lot. Mileage on the first tank was 36+. Then Florida mandated the use of 10% ethanol gas which immediately caused a 2 MPG drop. I now work hard to get 35 MPG. Another factor: Had a program at my Rotary club given by an engineer from the petroleum industry. He says that the best gas is in the northeast and the Rockies. Cold weather, high altitudes etc require good gas. The absolute worst gas is here in Florida as it is flat, warm and cars will run on almost anything. Ergo, I just don't get the MPG that some of you do. It looks like 35+ is about all I can expect. On the bright side, I sold my Acura MDX for enough to buy the 09 TCH and have enough left over to drive it for 3+ years at $4 per gallon of gas. Jack H.
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Replying to: barb36jack31 (Jul 01, 2008 1:18 pm) All emotions aside, that's a great personal financial decision. Congrats for making that decision, which is huge for some folks. |
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I've seen a few items above regarding the speedometer of the camry reading high. I just purchased this car about two weeks ago... I'm inding approximately +5 mph on mne and I hate it. My other cars (typically half the price) are right on... Now.. I have to get in my new car and try to remember how fast I'm really going. When I bought this car nobody said there would be math  I'm just not happy... Other than that... It's a great ride.
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Replying to: lockleer (Aug 14, 2008 7:27 pm) 
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The more I learn about this car, the more I’m blown away by it! (I totally agree with virtually all the great comments everyone’s making, so I’ll add some different insight). I initially wanted a Prius – rented 3 different ones and could easily get 54-56 MPG in town. (Note: hot, flat Florida, with 5 minute red lights, is a Hybrid’s Heaven)! Hated to hit the freeway where the Prius’s MPG plummeted to 39-41 MPG at 75+ mph. But the Prius is narrow, the dash is black and bakes in the sun, and the side windows are “too high” and let in too much sun for me. (Still - the Prius is a marvel!). Our Sarasota dealer wanted a 6k premium for a new Prius. I tried a used 07 TCH (24k miles, 27k price), and found it wider, quieter, smoother, and much more attractive looking. Since my local dealer wanted 3k extra for a new TCH, I bought a new 09 at a dealer in the next town for no premium (Sticker Price) (After a 4 week wait). I absolutely love it! I initially liked the "B" and used it at every Red Light to save on my brakes (and keep "brake dust" from dirtying my front alloy wheels...but then read a great forum item teaching me that I was wasting that energy and am better off lightly using the brakes to regenerate! I get from 37-41 mpg around town, and (I’ll bet) almost the same as a Prius on the highway (38-39 MPG at 75+ mph). I can get 50mpg on the highway or more if I'm willing to drive slow enough. It’s got a many “sweet spots”, like set cruise control at 40mph, then tap down to 39mph and wait, it lapses into a "warp" mode getting 55-60MPG with the engine running! Last thoughts – I’d like it to display the percentage of the “free” mileage I’m getting. (My guess is out of every 100 miles I drive around town; maybe 20 miles are coasting or electric, with the gas engine off). And considering that my gas engine is not running during all of (our Florida) 5 minute Red lights, it follows that when my odometer says 100,000 miles, my engine may really only have 75,000 actual miles on it! |
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I just put a deposit on an '09 TCH in Montana (c/w Leather, Convenience Pkg, and Upgrade Pkg - no NAV or Sunroof - for $1500.00 below MSRP) but I live in Canada and plan to import it back here. Unfortunately, I will need to make 1 small modification in order to import it and this is where I am hoping you TCH owners might be able to help. The Daytime Running Lights on the TCH sold in the US comes with an "off" switch, whereas in Canada the DRL are required by law to be on all the time (while the car is running) and can not be turned off. Does anyone know how to disable the "off" switch? Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
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