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#503 of 558 Re: New Camry Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report [hflorance] by texases Jun 19, 2008 (9:10 am)
Replying to: hflorance (Jun 19, 2008 9:02 am) For tires, take a look at Tire Rack, lots of reviews, owner feedback, etc, should be lots for Camry. As for the speedometer - did you also observe an odometer error? It can be correct even with a speedometer error.
#504 of 558 Re: New Camry Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report [hflorance] by loves2read Jun 19, 2008 (9:30 am)
Replying to: hflorance (Jun 19, 2008 9:02 am) if you have an ODOMETER that is not clocking mileage correctly, is that not a problem when you go to resell--because you have to sign a statement that purports the "actual" mileage and saying that you have not tampered with the reading... knowing that it is not accurately recording the miles traveled and signing to something different is something that could come back to bite you...
#505 of 558 Re: New Camry Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report [hflorance] by talmy1 Jun 19, 2008 (1:05 pm)
Replying to: hflorance (Jun 19, 2008 9:02 am) As strange as it might sound, there is actually a United Nations requirement that speedometers read at least 3mph high. So yours at 4mph high is actually very close to right on. This isn't the case for the odometer, which should be accurate even with the funky speedometer requirement.   Look up "speedometer" on Wikipedia to read how confusing this all is. Replies to this message: jcihak (Jun 20, 2008 7:57 am) talmy1 (Jun 20, 2008 10:44 am)
#506 of 558 Re: New Camry Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report [talmy1] by jcihak Jun 20, 2008 (7:57 am)
Replying to: talmy1 (Jun 19, 2008 1:05 pm) If you continue to read the Wiki, you will find that the United States requirement is a maximum 5% error. 4mph error is unacceptable at normal speeds. The UN agreement does not apply to the US, nor does it require that speedometers be calibrated 3mph high. The UN agreement requires the speedometer be calibrated within a -0/+4kph band. Replies to this message: talmy1 (Jun 20, 2008 10:44 am)
#507 of 558 Re: New Camry Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report [jcihak] by talmy1 Jun 20, 2008 (10:44 am)
Replying to: jcihak (Jun 20, 2008 7:57 am) I actually decided to look up the UN resolution, which is at:   http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/39rv1e.pdf   Just because it doesn't apply in the US doesn't mean that an international manufacturer won't adopt it. Indeed it doesn't say 3mph high, but says that the error must be 0 ≤ (V1 - V2) ≤ 0.1 V2 + 4 km/h where V1 is the displayed speed and V2 is the actual speed, so the error can be -0 to 4kph+10%.   The US Federal standard is not referenced in the Wikipedia article, so I can't verify it. The article states "Modern speedometers are said to be accurate within 5% but as this is legislated accuracy, this may not be entirely correct." and why isn't "legislated accuracy" "entirely correct"? Also I doubt that the federal law would allow for speedometers to read low. That would cause problems for (speeding) law enforcement.   So for the OP's case of 30mph reading 34, that would be 10% plus 1mph which is less than 4km/h, so it would be within spec.   I've found in the cars I've owned that the speedometer always reads high, but the odometer is quite accurate, usually within 1% (<0.1 mile measured over 10 miles).
#508 of 558 Re: New Camry Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report [hflorance] by wvgasguy Jun 23, 2008 (4:39 am)
Replying to: hflorance (Jun 19, 2008 9:02 am) I have some earlier detailed postings discussing the error with the odometer and speedometer (at least on the 2007 models).   I started my third set of tires at 49,000 miles. The first two sets were Bridgestones (loud and did not last 25,000 miles)
#509 of 558 The first week! by miser_man Jun 23, 2008 (5:49 pm)
Picked up my 09 TCH last Saturday, and have put my first 1,000 miles on it already. Love this car. Quiet, roomy, comfortable, and fuel efficient as heck. I have already beat the dealer posted mileage of 50 mpg (imperial gallons in Canada, so the number looks really big)   I got rrd of my 04 4WD Tundra cause it was getting ridiculous: $600 -800 per month in gas. I loved the big truck, but I could no longer stomach the mileage, so when the lease was up it went back. Couldn't be happier - a friend bought the new VW Jetta the week before and I drove it - nice car, but I kept looking at the mpg readout of 7.9 l/100 km (36 mpg) and knew I was going to beat that by a bunch. So far I am averaging 5.6 l/100km (51 mpg) and I know I am going to get better than that as I learn the sweet spot. Its mostly flat where I live, and I can run in EV for the last 5km home each day. I also do a fair amout of stop 'n go on the highway; another sweet spot for the TCH.   I walked into Burlington Toyota (in Ontario) and got a fleet price (about $2,200 off MSRP). I had to wait for 2 weeks until it was built but they extended my lease for free so it didn't inconvenience me. Car came in 3 days early, and they had it prepped in under 2 hours. fabulous experience at the dealer; would recommend them to anyone in the area.
#510 of 558 /gal for gas.Gas mileage and location by barb36jack31 Jul 01, 2008 (1:18 pm)
I have an 09 TCH and love it. Got it for $100 over invoice, but the owner is a neighbor of mine and he helped a lot. Mileage on the first tank was 36+. Then Florida mandated the use of 10% ethanol gas which immediately caused a 2 MPG drop. I now work hard to get 35 MPG. Another factor: Had a program at my Rotary club given by an engineer from the petroleum industry. He says that the best gas is in the northeast and the Rockies. Cold weather, high altitudes etc require good gas. The absolute worst gas is here in Florida as it is flat, warm and cars will run on almost anything. Ergo, I just don't get the MPG that some of you do. It looks like 35+ is about all I can expect.   On the bright side, I sold my Acura MDX for enough to buy the 09 TCH and have enough left over to drive it for 3+ years at $4 per gallon of gas.   Jack H. Replies to this message: wvgasguy (Jul 01, 2008 1:59 pm)
#511 of 558 Re: /gal for gas.Gas mileage and location [barb36jack31] by wvgasguy Jul 01, 2008 (1:59 pm)
Replying to: barb36jack31 (Jul 01, 2008 1:18 pm) On the bright side, I sold my Acura MDX for enough to buy the 09 TCH and have enough left over to drive it for 3+ years at $4 per gallon of gas.   All emotions aside, that's a great personal financial decision. Congrats for making that decision, which is huge for some folks.
#512 of 558 Press request by KarenS HOST Aug 04, 2008 (4:57 pm)
A reporter with a large financial magazine would like to speak with hybrid owners and their experiences. If you are a hybrid owner, please respond to ctalatiedmunds.com with your daytime contact information no later than Wednesday, August 6th.

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