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#499 of 558 Re: seling out of 08 TCH [wvgasguy] by nkaizer Jun 10, 2008 (9:09 am)
Replying to: wvgasguy (Jun 10, 2008 6:22 am) That's an interesting insight. I was getting 15 MPG before my TCH and sometimes try to nurse the gas to get hyper MPG 42-43. But it's hard. And sometimes, I live recklessly (when I'm in a hurry) and have a heavy foot. I get only 32-34 for that trip, but by your analysis, I shouldn't feel so bad, b/c I've already more than doubled the 15 mpg I was getting in the Infiniti. Cool Replies to this message: texases (Jun 10, 2008 9:36 am) wvgasguy (Jun 10, 2008 5:54 pm)
#500 of 558 Re: seling out of 08 TCH [nkaizer] by texases Jun 10, 2008 (9:36 am)
Replying to: nkaizer (Jun 10, 2008 9:09 am) "I shouldn't feel so bad, b/c I've already more than doubled the 15 mpg I was getting in the Infiniti."   Absolutely correct - you made the huge jump going to 15 or 'only' 32-34. Going from 15 to 33 saves you 545 gallons in 15,000 miles, while going from 33 to, say, 40 only saves about 80 gallons.
#501 of 558 Re: seling out of 08 TCH [nkaizer] by wvgasguy Jun 10, 2008 (5:54 pm)
Replying to: nkaizer (Jun 10, 2008 9:09 am) I basically traded my FX45 even for a new TCH. I've been driving the TCH for 2 years and 1 month and with the tax credits (state and Federal) savings in fuel, insurance AND the lower payment my savings is over $16,000. I was able to pay my TCH off, which for me is not something I was use to doing with cars
#502 of 558 Re: New Camry Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report [pf_flyer] by hflorance Jun 19, 2008 (10:02 am)
Replying to: pf_flyer (Jul 18, 2006 12:07 pm) Own a 2007, purchased Sept 2006, now has 37,000 miles. Very nice car - all the options (wife's car -she still hasn't figured out all the Nav extras). 2 problems worth mentioning. Tire tread life on the Bridgestones - about worn out with 90% highway driving AND they are VERY noisy. Got any recommendations for a quiet, smooth, replacement tire?   Second problem: Significant speedometer error: 4 MPH at nearly any speed! Calibrated error with radar. At 30 MPH, this is nearly a 15% overstatement, so if your average MPH is around that, your actual miles driven could be 85% of what is stated on the odometer. Factory says "within specs". Ha! There may be a way to re-calibrate - saw something in the Nav System screens. Replies to this message: texases (Jun 19, 2008 10:10 am) loves2read (Jun 19, 2008 10:30 am) talmy1 (Jun 19, 2008 2:05 pm) jcihak (Jun 20, 2008 8:57 am) talmy1 (Jun 20, 2008 11:44 am) wvgasguy (Jun 23, 2008 5:39 am)
#503 of 558 Re: New Camry Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report [hflorance] by texases Jun 19, 2008 (10:10 am)
Replying to: hflorance (Jun 19, 2008 10:02 am) For tires, take a look at Tire Rack, lots of reviews, owner feedback, etc, should be lots for Camry. As for the speedometer - did you also observe an odometer error? It can be correct even with a speedometer error.
#504 of 558 Re: New Camry Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report [hflorance] by loves2read Jun 19, 2008 (10:30 am)
Replying to: hflorance (Jun 19, 2008 10:02 am) if you have an ODOMETER that is not clocking mileage correctly, is that not a problem when you go to resell--because you have to sign a statement that purports the "actual" mileage and saying that you have not tampered with the reading... knowing that it is not accurately recording the miles traveled and signing to something different is something that could come back to bite you...
#505 of 558 Re: New Camry Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report [hflorance] by talmy1 Jun 19, 2008 (2:05 pm)
Replying to: hflorance (Jun 19, 2008 10:02 am) As strange as it might sound, there is actually a United Nations requirement that speedometers read at least 3mph high. So yours at 4mph high is actually very close to right on. This isn't the case for the odometer, which should be accurate even with the funky speedometer requirement.   Look up "speedometer" on Wikipedia to read how confusing this all is. Replies to this message: jcihak (Jun 20, 2008 8:57 am) talmy1 (Jun 20, 2008 11:44 am)
#506 of 558 Re: New Camry Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report [talmy1] by jcihak Jun 20, 2008 (8:57 am)
Replying to: talmy1 (Jun 19, 2008 2:05 pm) If you continue to read the Wiki, you will find that the United States requirement is a maximum 5% error. 4mph error is unacceptable at normal speeds. The UN agreement does not apply to the US, nor does it require that speedometers be calibrated 3mph high. The UN agreement requires the speedometer be calibrated within a -0/+4kph band. Replies to this message: talmy1 (Jun 20, 2008 11:44 am)
#507 of 558 Re: New Camry Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report [jcihak] by talmy1 Jun 20, 2008 (11:44 am)
Replying to: jcihak (Jun 20, 2008 8:57 am) I actually decided to look up the UN resolution, which is at:   http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/39rv1e.pdf   Just because it doesn't apply in the US doesn't mean that an international manufacturer won't adopt it. Indeed it doesn't say 3mph high, but says that the error must be 0 ≤ (V1 - V2) ≤ 0.1 V2 + 4 km/h where V1 is the displayed speed and V2 is the actual speed, so the error can be -0 to 4kph+10%.   The US Federal standard is not referenced in the Wikipedia article, so I can't verify it. The article states "Modern speedometers are said to be accurate within 5% but as this is legislated accuracy, this may not be entirely correct." and why isn't "legislated accuracy" "entirely correct"? Also I doubt that the federal law would allow for speedometers to read low. That would cause problems for (speeding) law enforcement.   So for the OP's case of 30mph reading 34, that would be 10% plus 1mph which is less than 4km/h, so it would be within spec.   I've found in the cars I've owned that the speedometer always reads high, but the odometer is quite accurate, usually within 1% (<0.1 mile measured over 10 miles).
#508 of 558 Re: New Camry Hybrid Owners - Give Us Your Report [hflorance] by wvgasguy Jun 23, 2008 (5:39 am)
Replying to: hflorance (Jun 19, 2008 10:02 am) I have some earlier detailed postings discussing the error with the odometer and speedometer (at least on the 2007 models).   I started my third set of tires at 49,000 miles. The first two sets were Bridgestones (loud and did not last 25,000 miles)

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