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Re: Trunk dimensions? [jaxs1] by lzc
Mar 31, 2008 (12:00 pm)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Mar 31, 2008 11:23 am)

On the subject of towing, the owner's manual says:
 
"Towing Capacity: Toyota does not recommend towing a trailer with your vehicle. It is not designed for trailer towing."
 
And then this:
 
"Toyota also does not recommend the installation of a tow hitch or the use of a tow hitch carrier for a wheelchair, scooter, bicycle, etc. Your Toyota is not designed for trailer towing or for use of tow hitch mounted carriers."
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Re: Trunk dimensions? [lzc] by larsb
Mar 31, 2008 (12:56 pm)
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Replying to: lzc (Mar 31, 2008 12:00 pm)

I think the "you can/will void the warranty if you add a hitch" thing is just an Urban Myth, perpetuated by the wimpiest and most paranoid among us.
 
First of all: How could Toyota PROVE that you EVER towed anything? Even scrapes on the interior of the hitch connection could be explained away:
 
"I bought the hitch used."
 
or if you got the car used:
 
"It was on there when I got the car."
 
(Just my opinion.) I bet any good lawyer could get your warranty restored if Toyota ever tried to void it because you merely had a hitch installed.
 
Wonder if it's ever really come up in a hybrid car warranty action? Anyone know?
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Re: Trunk dimensions? [larsb] by jaxs1
Mar 31, 2008 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Mar 31, 2008 12:56 pm)

Since they are concerned even with carrying carriers for wheelchairs, bicycles and scooters, maybe the underside of the bumper is different than on a non-Hybrid Camry and body damage may occur even from the mount even if you're not towing anything of any significant weight.
I have heard there are some Hybrid components in that rear area.
Maybe the underbody or bumper is just more easily damaged on the Hybrid.
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Re: Trunk dimensions? [jaxs1] by larsb
Mar 31, 2008 (1:27 pm)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Mar 31, 2008 1:09 pm)

Well, I can tell you I have had about 180 pounds on my hitch and nothing back there is "worse for wear."
 
Have been to the dealer several times and no one has mentioned anything about the hitch.
 
The U-Haul guy had no problems installing it, and nothing in the hybrid system was affected during the install.
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Re: Trunk dimensions? [larsb] by lzc
Mar 31, 2008 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Mar 31, 2008 12:56 pm)

>>I bet any good lawyer could get your warranty restored if Toyota ever tried to void it . . . .
 
Yep, probably so. But at what cost?
 
Most likely, of course, the issue won't come up, especially if a little common sense is used. But, at the risk of sounding wimpy and paranoid, why not just buy a car designed to do what you want, rather than force it to do something it wasn't intended to do?
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Re: Trunk dimensions? [lzc] by larsb
Mar 31, 2008 (1:34 pm)
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Replying to: lzc (Mar 31, 2008 1:29 pm)

I'm not giving anyone else advice on how to use their car.
 
On my 2007 TCH, I needed to haul a Segway, and now I need to haul a bike. When I go to Texas in June, I'm going to need to haul a little cargo platform.
 
It is what it is.
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Re: Trunk dimensions? [larsb] by nvbanker
Mar 31, 2008 (2:54 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Mar 31, 2008 12:56 pm)

(Just my opinion.) I bet any good lawyer could get your warranty restored if Toyota ever tried to void it because you merely had a hitch installed.
 
If there's a hint of a hitch installed on that hybrid - I bet NOT. I've seen them stonewall for much much less.
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Re: Trunk dimensions? [larsb] by wvgasguy
Apr 01, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Mar 31, 2008 12:56 pm)

"I bought the hitch used." or if you got the car used: "It was on there when I got the car."
If it was an issue then I don't think these arguments would hold watter. However Toyota says "recommends" it does not say prohibts./ Recommends sounds like a suggestion, not a rule. If they had followed it uop with comments on voiding the warranty then they might have an argument but a recommendation (same way with oil changes, tire pressures etc) is not a finite requirement in my opinion (for what that's worth ).
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Re: Trunk dimensions? [wvgasguy] by nvbanker
Apr 02, 2008 (10:41 am)
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Replying to: wvgasguy (Apr 01, 2008 7:00 am)

However Toyota says "recommends" it does not say prohibts./ Recommends sounds like a suggestion, not a rule.
 
Have you forgotten how Toyota denied the existence of the "sludge" scandal in their engines for nearly a year? Then blamed everything from independent shops changing the oil with the wrong type, to negligence on the part of the owner for not changing it soon enough, or at all. If the car hadn't been to the dealer and logged into the Oasis for every oil change, they denied coverage on a froze up engine for a long long time before they finally admitted there could be design problem.
 
If I see a hitch on a Hybrid Camry - I'm going to assume the car was abused, and bet I could pretty easily avoid a claim that way. The burden would be on the owner to prove they did not abuse the car by pulling too much weight with it.
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Re: Trunk dimensions? [nvbanker] by larsb
Apr 02, 2008 (11:20 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Apr 02, 2008 10:41 am)

That would be easy. In the absence of any proof I towed anything, the court would side with me instead of "$40 Billion In the Bank Toyota."
 
Being that I don't own anything "towable" nor could a review of my bank records turn up anything that said I owned or rented anything towable, I'm sitting pretty.
 
This is kinda silly anyway. No one has ever heard of any hybrid car getting "de-warrantied" because of towing. Talking about it is a solution looking for a problem.

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