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#345 of 558 Picked up new 2008 TCH yesterday. Wow! by lairy Jan 05, 2008 (9:32 pm)
What a great car. I am delighted to be driving a 5-star sedan that's comfortable, powerful, and loaded (even though I got the base version w/o JBL,Nav,Bluetooth,compass,leather - it's so well equipped I don't miss the rest). Still on the first tank of gas. 226 miles, 35.6 MPG - wow! I am stunned. That includes some big hills (over the pass between S.B and Buellton), and because of the rain I had the lights, heater, fan, defroster and windshield wipers going most of the time. Still, I didn't do anything special; just set the cruise control to the speed limit and smile. The Camry Hybrid is all you have said - a great car. As for the funny noises, well, I am an engineer, so I marvel at all the great engineering that found its way into this car. This car is the sweet spot. Great 8-way power seat, lots of hip, leg and headroom. So many great little features. The best part for me personally is I have always driven too fast and always knew I should have greater self control. Well, this car now gives me the motivation to kick back and use a ton less gasolene...thanks to you all for sharing how cool this car is. I almost bought a couple of other cars, went back and forth. Finally I was sure the Camry was the one. No regrets! Replies to this message: wvgasguy (Jan 10, 2008 8:24 am) lairy (Jan 11, 2008 4:05 pm) wvgasguy (Jan 11, 2008 5:10 pm)
#346 of 558 Re: "New Car Smell" and gas mileage [jeffois] by bill08 Jan 09, 2008 (11:26 am)
Replying to: jeffois (Jan 01, 2008 6:50 am) When it gets cold and you turn on the heater, the engine starts up to generate the heat. It also runs when cold to keep the catalyc converter hot, which is required for proper emission control. This is only a problem when driving locally, since you don't get the benefit of creeping along on the battery. Similar results can be expected in the summer when you turn on the air conditioning. The engine runs more frequently to keep the tractor battery charged, since it is turning the electrical AC compressor.
#347 of 558 Re: Picked up new 2008 TCH yesterday. Wow! [lairy] by wvgasguy Jan 10, 2008 (8:24 am)
Replying to: lairy (Jan 05, 2008 9:32 pm) ...loaded (even though I got the base version w/o JBL,Nav,Bluetooth,compass, leather)   Obviously you love your car. However your comments are over zealous and if you want us to believe you in the future you'll have to get beyond calling your base TCH "loaded" and give us honest evaluations.   Welcome to the Forum Replies to this message: lairy (Jan 11, 2008 4:05 pm) wvgasguy (Jan 11, 2008 5:10 pm)
#348 of 558 Re: Picked up new 2008 TCH yesterday. Wow! [wvgasguy] by lairy Jan 11, 2008 (4:05 pm)
Replying to: wvgasguy (Jan 10, 2008 8:24 am) You're right, it's not loaded. I'll refrain from hyperbole. What I meant was it's an awesome base model, what with power doors, steering, driver's seat, sound absorbing windshield, keyless (and buttonless) entry, tons of room, great ride, and yes, great mileage. (Okay, if 'great' mileage is in the low forties, then mine is not great. But I'm comparing it to my 2004 CRV, with a 2.4 liter four, weighing 200 pounds less than the TCH, which only gets 24 MPG best case. My TCH's first tank finished at 35.0, my second tank is 36.0 MPG so far. This is doing the commute over the Gaviota pass between Goleta and Buellton).   Thanks for the welcome. It's good to be aboard.   BTW, I startled a pedestrian today in the parking light, pulling out silently. Does anyone have a nicely integrated backup beeper or camera? Replies to this message: wvgasguy (Jan 11, 2008 5:10 pm)
#349 of 558 Re: Picked up new 2008 TCH yesterday. Wow! [lairy] by wvgasguy Jan 11, 2008 (5:10 pm)
Replying to: lairy (Jan 11, 2008 4:05 pm) and yes, great mileage   Now you're talking. That is NOT an exageration
#350 of 558 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid poor fuel economy by defrauded Jan 14, 2008 (6:35 am)
Last June, I bought a new 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid at Dunning Toyota in Ann Arbor, MI. Salesman said the car would get 40 city/38 hwy mpg's, but the car consistently gets between 24-28 mpg's. The service dept. said nothing was wrong with the car and gave many excuses why the car really wouldn't get 40/38 mpg's.(weather, wind, road conditions, AC or heater used, my driving, etc.). For 2008 models, TCH mpg's were revised downward to 33/34. I think I was defrauded about this car since all reports had been so glowing. Dealer will not refund your money without a fight or arbitration. Replies to this message: stalnaker (Jan 14, 2008 6:57 am) talmy1 (Jan 14, 2008 7:10 am) wvgasguy (Jan 14, 2008 8:18 am) wvgasguy (Jan 14, 2008 8:15 am)
#351 of 558 Re: 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid poor fuel economy [defrauded] by stalnaker Jan 14, 2008 (6:57 am)
Replying to: defrauded (Jan 14, 2008 6:35 am) I bought my 2007 TCH last February, so I have had it almost a year. My overall mileage in that year (calculated) is about 31 mpg. In the warmer months in Indiana (March - October), I was able to average around 32-33 mpg most of the time. But in the winter months, I'm getting around 26-27 mpg. The cold weather has made a huge difference for me. It's probably because I have a lot of trips of 4 miles in one direction (when I drive to or from my office), and the car really doesn't have a chance to warm up, especially on a cold day. I'm still very happy with the vehicle, but a little disappointed in the mileage I have been getting.
#352 of 558 Re: 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid poor fuel economy [defrauded] by talmy1 Jan 14, 2008 (7:10 am)
Replying to: defrauded (Jan 14, 2008 6:35 am) The salesman shouldn't be making any promises. The service department's "excuses" are right on -- the mileage you get depends on many things. It's certainly possible to get over 40 mpg but it takes long trips at moderate speeds or at least warm weather with the AC off. You didn't say what your driving consists of, but I know I wouldn't be breaking 25mpg if I only used the car on commutes to work (3 miles away) in the winter, for instance.   Conventional cars are the same, but the effect of driving cold, using the air conditioner, etc., are magnified in vehicles that get good mileage to begin with because of the peculiarities of measuring in mpg rather than gallons per mile. Chances are you weren't getting the EPA mileage with your old car either. We rarely did. Replies to this message: wvgasguy (Jan 14, 2008 8:18 am)
#353 of 558 Re: 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid poor fuel economy [defrauded] by wvgasguy Jan 14, 2008 (8:15 am)
Replying to: defrauded (Jan 14, 2008 6:35 am) Salesman said the car would get 40 city/38 hwy mpg's, but the car consistently gets between 24-28 mpg's.   The salesperson shoud have simply stated the EPA ratings. The EPA revised them recently as they did all vehicles. I hate to say it but if you're averaging 24 to 28 mpg you are not trying hard. Should you have to? No, but if you want to maximize the FE of a hybrid there are at least a few minimal changes to driving habits that is expected. Maybe a hybrid isn't for you. Little things add up but if one eliminates jack rabbit starts, drives within the speed limits and anticipates traffic to flow smoothly I don't see how to get less than 36 in good weather. There have been a few other posters complain that there is something wrong with their car. I've always wished I could drive them once and see for myself, but I'm guessing it's not the car.   The cold weather will affect you but even in Michigan you have decent spring and summers I would think. My FE isn't impacted until it starts getting below 50F. Driving conservatively is not for everyone. I believe though the expectation is that one who buys a hybrid is willing to give up old habits for the gain in FE that can be achieved.   It would be interesting, if you kept accurate records on your last ride, to compare it to EPA ratings.
#354 of 558 Re: 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid poor fuel economy [talmy1] by wvgasguy Jan 14, 2008 (8:18 am)
Replying to: talmy1 (Jan 14, 2008 7:10 am) It's certainly possible to get over 40 mpg but it takes long trips at moderate speeds   I'm not sure what constitutes a "long trip" but I have no problem obtaining 40+ on the trip computer on my 4 mile drive into town with a cold engine. Yes there are a lot of factors involved, but it doesn't take what I would call a "long" trip.

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