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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan Safety & Crast Test Ratings

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#65 of 114
Re: Side airbags standard for 2007 [robr2] by scape2
Jun 07, 2006 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: robr2 (Jun 06, 2006 4:42 am)

"That is true, but from a marketing perspective it might as well be. If 90% of the vehicles tested earn a 5 star and ABC Motors earns 4, the consumer wonders why they didn't try harder. 5 stars is expected - anything less is failing."
This is true for those consumers who don't educate themseslves as to the difference between a 4 star and 5 star safety rating. Consumers who are interested in the Fusions value, style, handling, price ect and actually read what safety ratings mean I believe will buy the vehicle.
"At one time Honda considered moving it's world HQ to the US because it was starting to consider itself an American company. " Oh, boy, Honda consider itself a U.S. company?? you have got to be kidding right?? Honda is all Japanese period. Looks like thier media campaign has paid off..
 
Brief history on my career. I worked for a Japanese transplant, also traveled to a few here in the U.S. 90 percent of tooling/equipment and even some support comes from Japan. I know, I have been there and have seen it first hand.
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Close by m1miata
Jun 07, 2006 (10:17 pm)
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Seems close to being a 5 star anyway. Next test may be just that. Looks like the test scores are about the same as the Cadillac CTS. If they add side air bags standard, that will help. Though it is a 4 star on the crash test, the test points don't look too bad. Heck another test of this same car could score a little better and thus a 5 star - who knows.
 
The JD Powers Initial Quality numbers for Fusion are now showing on their consumer website, and look pretty good. As a whole Ford is a bit down the list though, which is not good press. If people look up this car though, they will see it is doing pretty good in the survey.
 
I think I like the looks. Need a test drive. Pricing will be competitive no doubt. Warranty could be longer. HP is a little less than sum, but the 6 sp. tranny seems to get ya there in time. Will research this puppy some more. Will do a side-by-side with the Milan too.
-Loren
#67 of 114
Re: Close [m1miata] by scape2
Jun 08, 2006 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: m1miata (Jun 07, 2006 10:17 pm)

Don't let the HP numbers fool you. The Fusion is within tenths of a second when doing 0-60 against competitors that have 20HP more. Heck, I have even found 2 places on the interet that show the Fusion best the Accord V6 auto by .3 seconds! So, you have to know the V6 in the Fusion is no slouch by any means...
By the way, at 430 miles, I am averaging 25.6MPG out of my Fusion. I am confident my mileage will get better as the car breaks in.
#68 of 114
Re: Side airbags standard for 2007 [jeffyscott] by m1miata
Jun 14, 2006 (9:28 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jun 06, 2006 10:36 am)

News release:
Ford has come up with an alternative to ESC systems.
The wife or mother-in-law, sits in the back seat and tells you when to slow down.
 
Initial acceptance however has not been good as anticipated. Bill was last seen on a phone talking to the bean counters. It is likely the new system will likely resemble the Hyundai one. To offset the cost, Firestone tires with plastic hub caps are now standard on every model.
 
Seriously, if they want to keep ESC as optional, it would not bother me at all. Perhaps the side air bags should be standard though. And some nice wheels and tires. And it seems the crash test was pretty close to a 5 star, so next time around, I bet ya they can nail it. A little extra steel in one area should do the trick -- well maybe. Would like to see orange, or orange/white/blue optional lighting of instrument cluster. The Fusion/Mazda and the FiveHundred/Volvo are pretty good efforts from Ford. Good to see they can design something new. Sure the New Stang retro was a hit, but I was around to see the originals. You know the '69 exterior, '65 interior (had one), mixed with another year or two, to forge a new car is what it is. Hope they go back in size to the '94 model year, and come up with a new car some day. The current one is perhaps a very good '69. Pretty good in that respect. What next? I think in the Ford line I am gonna test drive a Fusion with a V6. Something tells me the seating position, vision out, feel and handling may be more what I am looking for.
If I want retro, I think I would go 2004 Stang, for the last of the Fox body, or '95 for the last of the OHV 5.0. Something honest and simple about them.
 
-Loren
#69 of 114
Air Bags / IIHS by samchinch
Mar 14, 2006 (6:05 pm)
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Please get over the Airbags and wait and see what goes on from here. This is ridiculous when there is over 50 posts in a day in a half about this topic. There are plenty of other things to talk about. Are you people that bored that you have to keep hashing on the same topic.
#70 of 114
Re: Air Bags / IIHS [samchinch] by explorerx4
Mar 14, 2006 (6:23 pm)
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Replying to: samchinch (Mar 14, 2006 6:05 pm)

how many of the complainers are driving vehicles that don't have them? my guess is just about all of them. how did they ever live to be able to post here without side airbags?
harley-davidsons don't have side airbags. as a matter of fact they only have 2 wheels! they need to be recalled right now!
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Re: Air Bags / IIHS [samchinch] by kdhspyder
Mar 14, 2006 (11:10 pm)
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Replying to: samchinch (Mar 14, 2006 6:05 pm)

The SC/AB question is one of horrible Product management, an embarrassment but solvable. However the frontal crash test ratings are what will continue to haunt the vehicle because it means the platform has to be redesigned to advance it above 2nd or 3rd rate status safety wise.
 
I'm not sure of where you're coming from but if buyers see a vehicle at the bottom of a 'safety list'... it's off the 'buy list'. So you're OK in buying one of the two worst designed frontal crash test vehicles ( Stratus/Fusion)? Why would you? Is it that much more appealing ( it doesnt have the performance ) to choose it over every other midsize vehicle - all of which test better.
#72 of 114
Re: Air Bags / IIHS [kdhspyder] by backy
Mar 15, 2006 (5:43 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 14, 2006 11:10 pm)

Keep in mind that there are folks who drive around on Harleys, without helmets. Those people might be Ford's target market for the Fusion.
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Re: Air Bags / IIHS [kdhspyder] by akirby
Mar 15, 2006 (10:54 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 14, 2006 11:10 pm)

Where I'm coming from is that:
 
a) the failure was limited to a potential right leg injury and was not life threatening
 
b) this is only ONE crash scenario. The likelihood of being involved in that specific type of crash (frontal offset crash at 40 mph) is very small. If the angle is different or the speed is different or you hit another car instead of a fixed barrier then the results will likely be totally different - could be worse, could be better.
 
Even so - the rating is still Acceptable and will be improved in the next few months once Ford figures out why it failed. If the roof collapsed or the engine went through the firewall or the driver's airbag failed to deploy - then I'd be worried.
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Re: Air Bags / IIHS [akirby] by kdhspyder
Mar 15, 2006 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Mar 15, 2006 10:54 am)

I agree with all that you said. Ford should urgently look at the test data and make substantive design changes in order to bring it up to 'good' as all other vehicles are. Test it with SC/AB and it will likely be a leader like the 500/Monterrey.
 
I am not picking on the Fusion as much as I'm picking on Ford from a business persective. It annoys me that such a large, highly resourced company would allow this to occur. It's only a car it can be 'fixed' but it shouldn't have to be. It's the meat and potatos of their auto line. It should have been near perfect right out of the gate.

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