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Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Sedan
#161 of 261 Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [wayne21]
Nov 25, 2009 (5:52 am)
Here is where you may THINK you are bursting a bubble, but you are not. Just because the Camry and Accord are "built" in a US plant, doesn't mean the money Toyota makes on the sale of the car stays here, on the contrary, the money goes directly to Japan, whereas a Domestic car, whether it is built in the US, Canada, Mexico, or even Australia, the money on each sale comes directly to the US. It is the location of the Parent company that determines if it is a Foreign or Domestic car, not where the actual assembly takes place.
I can tell you as a fact, the 2010 Fusion is a far better built car than the 2009 Camry Hybrid I had, whether or not Toyota made any significant improvements on the 2010 model, without me driving one, I cant tell, but the Fusion Sport I have is a far better riding, handling, driving car than the Camry I had. Material quality is better, fit and finish is better, and the car is Quiet, even at 110 MPH.
I can see why Ford is using Mexico to build the car, the Mexicans are hard working people who seem to put their pride into what they make, unlike the unions in this country.
#162 of 261 Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [wayne21]
Nov 25, 2009 (5:55 am)
I believe the camry is the most american car sold in the US
Not that it really matters to me where a car is designed, assembled, and/or where the parts are manufactured, but I don't think you should define "american-ness" by where the parts happen to be put together. Surely there are still cars that were designed in the US by a US based company and are assembled only in the US from mostly US parts that would be more American than a Camry.
#163 of 261 Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [wayne21]
Nov 25, 2009 (7:24 am)
Like I said I researched and found the Ford Fusion to be the best value for me and yes I do realize that it is assembled in Mexico and has 50% American parts. I took a lot of heat from my family when I was the first one to purchase a new "foreign" 1986 Toyota 4X4 pickup. I was in a union and it was not well liked there either but I wanted the best value for my money. Now looking at my family my Dad is the only one to have a Ford The rest have Honda and Toyota. I just thought it was a bonus that Ford has in my eyes the best sedan for my budget and they refused bail out money from our government. As far as making things in Mexico I think if they have robust Quality systems in place that they can build a great car and have bigger budgets to buy higher quality materials. I would like for them to be built in the USA to give Americans Jobs but ultimately the car companies have to build the best value for the consumer or they will get eaten alive from competitors like the Korean car companies.
#164 of 261 Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [hackattack5]
Nov 25, 2009 (8:16 am)
It probably is a wonderful car and I'm glad they've improved on it. Like yourself, I do not care where a car is built. I don't care about the country of origin, but am looking for the best value for the buck. However, for me, the disqualifier is union-built. Without exception, each time I've bought a UAW or CAW built car I got burned and thus I've learned my lesson and wouldn't consider another one. Just my personal preferences, though, as my family members are all union members. And I do hope ford turns around. Although they did not take bailout money, they did take massive government loans a few years ago and it would be nice to see them pay it off - and I believe they will. I'm not sure that GM or Chrysler will ever repay their money.
#165 of 261 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid - Brakes Fail
Nov 25, 2009 (8:00 pm)
I bought this car in June of this year. Have had no complaints about it. I love the car. It just hit the 10k mark a few weeks ago. The vehicle health reports said everything is okay, oil changed when recommended, check the fluids etc.
Tonight my wife, 2 yr old daughter and I were going to meet relatives for dinner. We pull into the restaurant's parking lot and hear a ding ding. I look at the dash board and there is a red message saying to check the brake system. We are still moving at around 3 miles an hour I press the brakes and nothing. It was like you never even touched them. I put on the emergency brake and slowly coast into an open space. I turn off the car, restart it and everything is back to normal. No check brake system message and brakes work. I did not want to leave my car at the restaurant, so I had my family ride with someone else and I cautiously drove the car about 5 miles to a friend's house and had no problems.
Since this is the eve of Thanksgiving. I will say that I'm thankful for the fact that my family and I were only going 3 mph instead of 65 when the brakes went out. Needless to say I am very concerned that this may happen again at any time.
Has anyone else experienced this? I will be contacting the dealer after Thanksgiving and keep you posted on the outcome.">
#166 of 261 Re: 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid - Brakes Fail [2010_ffhowner]
Nov 26, 2009 (9:55 am)
I just picked up my 2010 V6 Fusion yesterday. You scared the crap out of me with this story. What did the Ford dealer/service dept. say???
You had 100% brake failure, I would be scared to death to drive the car without a good exam and explanation from Ford as to what happened!
#167 of 261 Re: 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid - Brakes Fail [koho955]
Nov 26, 2009 (7:06 pm)
I'm not sure if the V6 has the same breaking system as the hybrid. Sorry didn't mean to scare you. But that's exactly how it happened.
"You had 100% brake failure" If it wasn't 100% it felt like it was. There was no slowing down.
I finally found some other people that have had the same problem on another
forum There has been a TSB (technical service bulletin) on it and its due to a faulty connector. So Ford is aware of the problem.
I'm calling the dealer tomorrow to get it checked out.
#168 of 261 Re: 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid - Brakes Fail [2010_ffhowner]
Nov 27, 2009 (6:51 am)
Let me know what you find out after speaking with the Ford Dealer. I have found very little info out there about this brake problem on the web!
#170 of 261 Re: 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid - Brakes Fail [2010_ffhowner]
Nov 27, 2009 (7:28 am)
I doubt you had 100% failure, you probably lost all boost, and the regen failed. It is impossible for brakes to fully fail and then work again due to the hydraulic system, the thing is when boost fails, the pedal requires extensive pressure for the brakes to apply in any car. I think in the hybrid, the boost is electric instead of vacuum as in non hybrids, so if there is a faulty electrical connection, that would explain it. If this happened at 65, you would have brakes, you just would have to really step on the pedal to slow down, like I did with an old 67 Chevy pickup that had no power at all to anything. Thankfully it was a stick, otherwise my right leg would be twice the size of the left one!