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Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [desgnr]
by koho955
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Nov 23, 2009 (3:10 pm)
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Replying to: desgnr (Nov 23, 2009 5:42 am)
V6 in the Fusion is MUCH quieter than the 4Cyl.
Worth the money....take it for a drive!
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Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [stephen987]
by koho955
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Nov 23, 2009 (3:18 pm)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Nov 23, 2009 6:50 am)
I just test drove the Camry V6 XLE, the Honda Accord V6 and the Ford Fusion V6 back to back. The Fusion wins by a mile. Both the Honda and the Camry had a ton of road, wind and engine noise. It was amazing how loud the Camry was at a stop light. You could hear the traffic whizzing by as if the window was open 1".
The Camry did price out way better especially at a CarMax Toyota dealer (new cars only).
I'm going with the Ford! I hope the write-ups are accurate because in my 49 years I have never owned an American car!
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Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [koho955]
by hackattack5
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Nov 23, 2009 (5:54 pm)
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Replying to: koho955 (Nov 23, 2009 3:18 pm)
Koho955: I was in the same boat as you. I am 46 years old and have not owned an Domestic car since 1994. I have a 2008 Toyota Tacoma Crew cab and had a 2008 Honda Accord till last Saturday when I traded it in for a 2010 Fusion SEL. I was upset with Honda because they would not back the major rear brake problem that all 2008 Accords have and my wife never really liked that Accord anyway. I researched and thought what is all the hype about a Ford Fusion? Well I went to a ford dealer and test drove one and I could not believe the value factor. It rides much better than my Accord and has a ton more options. I will tell you that the Ford employees are very grateful that I bought a Ford and I like buying from a domestic company that did not need a bail out from our tax money. I hope if / when I do have problems with this car that they treat me better than Honda did with that Accord
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Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [hackattack5]
by wayne21
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Nov 24, 2009 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: hackattack5 (Nov 23, 2009 5:54 pm)
I hate to burst your bubble, but I believe the camry is the most american car sold in the US and it is built in the US. The accord is made in Ohio. The fusion is assembled in Mexico with few US parts.
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Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [wayne21]
by koho955
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Nov 24, 2009 (7:06 pm)
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Replying to: wayne21 (Nov 24, 2009 6:22 pm)
Your not bursting my bubble. The Camry and the Honda Accord are still poorly built cars no matter where they are put together. The Mexican made Ford Fusion still drives way better and I'm giving it a try no matter who put it together.
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Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [koho955]
by wayne21
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Nov 24, 2009 (8:30 pm)
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Replying to: koho955 (Nov 24, 2009 7:06 pm)
I was replying to the mentioning of the fusion as a domestic car. I would not own another honda - too many transmission issues throughout the years, road noise is pretty bad, wind noise from the a-pillar has been the same for many years and continues today (they apparently never thought of putting a thicker seal in the doors) and now they have VCM issues with the 6 cylinder and brake problems with 4 and 6 cylinders.. Toyotas can be a hit or miss. I don't know much about the new fusion. I wanted to buy one 2 years ago and one drive convinced me otherwise. I understand they've improved greatly, though. I don't care where a car is made, but am interested in the best value I can get to fill my needs.
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Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [wayne21]
by acdii
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Nov 25, 2009 (5:52 am)
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Replying to: wayne21 (Nov 24, 2009 8:30 pm)
Here is where you may THINK you are bursting a bubble, but you are not. Just because the Camry and Accord are "built" in a US plant, doesn't mean the money Toyota makes on the sale of the car stays here, on the contrary, the money goes directly to Japan, whereas a Domestic car, whether it is built in the US, Canada, Mexico, or even Australia, the money on each sale comes directly to the US. It is the location of the Parent company that determines if it is a Foreign or Domestic car, not where the actual assembly takes place.
I can tell you as a fact, the 2010 Fusion is a far better built car than the 2009 Camry Hybrid I had, whether or not Toyota made any significant improvements on the 2010 model, without me driving one, I cant tell, but the Fusion Sport I have is a far better riding, handling, driving car than the Camry I had. Material quality is better, fit and finish is better, and the car is Quiet, even at 110 MPH.
I can see why Ford is using Mexico to build the car, the Mexicans are hard working people who seem to put their pride into what they make, unlike the unions in this country.
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Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [wayne21]
by jeffyscott
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Nov 25, 2009 (5:55 am)
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Replying to: wayne21 (Nov 24, 2009 6:22 pm)
I believe the camry is the most american car sold in the US
Not that it really matters to me where a car is designed, assembled, and/or where the parts are manufactured, but I don't think you should define "american-ness" by where the parts happen to be put together. Surely there are still cars that were designed in the US by a US based company and are assembled only in the US from mostly US parts that would be more American than a Camry.
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Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [wayne21]
by hackattack5
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Nov 25, 2009 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: wayne21 (Nov 24, 2009 6:22 pm)
Wayne21:
Like I said I researched and found the Ford Fusion to be the best value for me and yes I do realize that it is assembled in Mexico and has 50% American parts. I took a lot of heat from my family when I was the first one to purchase a new "foreign" 1986 Toyota 4X4 pickup. I was in a union and it was not well liked there either but I wanted the best value for my money. Now looking at my family my Dad is the only one to have a Ford The rest have Honda and Toyota. I just thought it was a bonus that Ford has in my eyes the best sedan for my budget and they refused bail out money from our government. As far as making things in Mexico I think if they have robust Quality systems in place that they can build a great car and have bigger budgets to buy higher quality materials. I would like for them to be built in the USA to give Americans Jobs but ultimately the car companies have to build the best value for the consumer or they will get eaten alive from competitors like the Korean car companies.
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Re: Can't decide which 1 to buy [hackattack5]
by wayne21
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Nov 25, 2009 (8:16 am)
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Replying to: hackattack5 (Nov 25, 2009 7:24 am)
It probably is a wonderful car and I'm glad they've improved on it. Like yourself, I do not care where a car is built. I don't care about the country of origin, but am looking for the best value for the buck. However, for me, the disqualifier is union-built. Without exception, each time I've bought a UAW or CAW built car I got burned and thus I've learned my lesson and wouldn't consider another one. Just my personal preferences, though, as my family members are all union members. And I do hope ford turns around. Although they did not take bailout money, they did take massive government loans a few years ago and it would be nice to see them pay it off - and I believe they will. I'm not sure that GM or Chrysler will ever repay their money.
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