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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 17, 2006 10:23 pm) And i wasnt comparing the golf to the prius. I was meerly showing that a diesil could be just as efficient and that a diesil electric hybrid could be even more efficient. And the toyota recall that was all over the news you somehow didnt hear about. What internet sites were you checking? It affected the prius and the camry. I am really beginning to think that your only sources are internet sites. Maybe you should take your eyes off the computer screne for a little while and read a book. It will do you good.
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Replying to: allcarsrcool (Dec 18, 2006 4:33 am) have you even read the latest magazines? In either motortrend, automobile, or car and driver, they had a little article about a plug in prius costing well above $40000 dollars. So who now is the one with their head not being in the "auto world" for the past "2-3 years"? If you seriously spent some time reading auto magazines you might find some new sources. I read them all the time. There is no such article about a new plug-in costing above $40000. You are misreading the article - or making this up. It refers to modifying a current Prius with an aftermarket kit. And i wasnt comparing the golf to the prius. I was meerly showing that a diesil could be just as efficient and that a diesil electric hybrid could be even more efficient. No, you compared your brother's hybrid Camry to a Golf saying that the Camry only got in the 30's while you could get a diesel Golf which got in the 50's. And the toyota recall that was all over the news you somehow didnt hear about. What internet sites were you checking? It affected the prius and the camry. I am really beginning to think that your only sources are internet sites. Maybe you should take your eyes off the computer screne for a little while and read a book. It will do you good. Now this you are making up. There was no such recall on the Camry. Please just stick with facts. What there was on small Toyota cars ( including the Prius ) was a steering unit recall to reinforce the shaft. It was done on my 2005 and it took less than 15 min, cost nothing and was not an issue. This has nothing to due with hybrid systems or PHEV or diesel.
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Replying to: toyolla2 (Dec 17, 2006 11:14 pm) Now, if the traction battery were larger the car could recover more energy, but be aware, the amount of energy in the traction battery is not very great. It can take the car only a few miles at lower speed. In theory, a larger traction battery would translate into better mileage, but also higher weight and less cargo/passenger room and higher initial cost. Perhaps the next generation Prius will go this route, but we can't say for sure until we see one.  As far as the speculation on a diesel hybrid by other posters in this thread, in the US and Canada diesel is more expensive than gasoline - and the difference is about the same as the mileage difference, so I see no reason to go there at this time. In Europe diesel is subsidized (farm subsidy) and is less expensive. That's why it's popular there. There may be other reasons delaying a diesel hybrid car, such as noise/vibration when shutting down/starting at lights etc. but the fuel cost issue is probably the major one at present. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 18, 2006 5:22 am) Like you said before I didn't follow your replies because you confused a number of issues into the same point...so as best as I can understand... so i wasnt comparing the two hybrids i was showing that diesel engines are more efficient than ICE's. Therefore it would make sense to think that a diesel~electric could be more efficient. link title there you can find all toyota recalls. And i do not think that 170,000 is a small recall by any stretch. 1 the hybrid system wasnt perfect, it could be better 2 my cousins diesel got 800 miles to a tank Camry Hybrid Prius 06 VW golf diesel Average User MPG 36.7 47.4 46.2 MPG Range 28 to 42 37 to 60 43 to 51 EPA estimates 40city 60 city 37 city 38hwy 51 hwy 41 hwy Notice how the EPA estimates of the prius are inflated while the diesel gets better than EPA in average user MPG New diesels will not be as bad for the environment link title check yourself
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Replying to: allcarsrcool (Dec 18, 2006 9:13 am) This a faulty conclusion. The reason the price is $10000 extra is because it's a one of a kind aftermarket kit. It's not an OEM option manufactured right into the vehicle. To put this to rest if the next Prius does have a plugin capability and the price is $40000. It won't sell. It won't happen though because Toyota wouldn't do such a ridiculous thing. I am aware of the steering recall. I had it done on my 2005 Prius. It took less than 15 min to add a reinforcement. It was done during a normal oil change and it cost nothing and no inconvenience. To me it is a non-issue. Move on. It's over. OK the old EPA values didn't reflect how people drive and the Prius numbers are too high, so what. The actual results you show that the Prius and the Golf are about equal, which is what I've been saying all along. There is no advantage to one or the other - except that diesels can't be sold in 5 of the most populous states until 2009 at the earliest. The hybrid Camry is in a different class than the Golf, compare it to the Passat diesel. New diesels may be better as you state. It remains to be seen. If they can't pass all the states emissions testing - at an economical price then it's the same situation as now. |
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Though they may be equal, but but if you notice the user average is above EPA estimates, the same can not be said for the prius. And i added the camry to show the another one of Toyota's hybrids. If people were told they would have to drive like extemely slow grandparents to get the EPA milage estimates, how many people would change their driving style to get those estimates or is driving a prius merely a way to silently sneer I'M ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY & YOU AREN'T?
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Replying to: allcarsrcool (Dec 18, 2006 4:18 pm) Thanks in advance. |
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Replying to: allcarsrcool (Dec 18, 2006 4:18 pm) |
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Replying to: allcarsrcool (Dec 14, 2006 4:21 am) |
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on www.techeblog.com the show in their auto section an all electric car that can recharge in ten minutes or overnight from a regular house outlet. Is it possible that the next prius could offer this technology for maybe an all electric version of the prius, or if not the prius an all electric car offered by toyota?
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