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What to expect from the next model year Prius

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Re: Waiting? Yes But... [lotusfan] by tiff_c
Jul 27, 2008 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: lotusfan (Jul 27, 2008 8:35 am)

Where are you guys located that you have such short supply? I think I posted this before, but I get regular e-mails from dealers in the area (Northern Virginia) about Priuses they have to sell me -- no waiting lists, no deposits. Just a few days ago, a dealer said they had 19 Priuses in stock.
 
We are up in New Hampshire and they are all sold out and claim 6 months before they get any new stock in even if you are on their waiting list.
Every other car you see up here lately is a Prius. It's like the Ford Pinto/VW Bug of the new Millennium. I can't drive anywhere up here without seeing half a dozen of them.
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Re: Waiting? Yes But... [lotusfan] by kdhspyder
Jul 27, 2008 (12:33 pm)
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Replying to: lotusfan (Jul 27, 2008 8:35 am)

Careful of the wording.
 
His email might have said 'available' not 'in stock'. It's highly unlikely that any dealer in the US has any 'in stock' except a few isolated ones where an 'orderer' might have backed out, certainly not in NoVa. Laurel Toyota CARMAX is the largest Toyota dealer on the EC and I believe it's No 2 in the country.
http://www.carmax.com/enUS/locations/Maryland-Both-Laurel-Toyota-7806.html
It has ZERO Prius' new or used in stock.
 
Now some stores may have 20 or more 2008s in stock right now today.....but these are all fleet turn-ins from Hertz or Enterprise or off-lease vehicles, all purchased at auction. For example our Richmond store had 27 of these 10 days ago.
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Re: Waiting? Yes But... [tiff_c] by kdhspyder
Jul 27, 2008 (12:41 pm)
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Replying to: tiff_c (Jul 27, 2008 12:27 pm)

Just as a point of reference the higher population areas are getting more. We've had 70 new units available to us from July 15th through Aug 10th. All of them found owners well before they arrived. Every one of them was fixed with a $500-$1000 deposit and was sold at MSRP.
 
There are roughly another 10+ buyers who are waiting for a specific package/color/interior so they've just continued to bump themselves down the list until their specific combo arrives.
 
OTOH a goodly number of buyers have had to wait less than 3 weeks. But again this is just a characteristic of supply and demand. The biggest supply goes to where the biggest demand is.
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Toyota announced Pricing on 2009 model Prius by toyotaken
Jul 28, 2008 (8:33 am)
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As per a news article that I had forwarded to me this morning, Toyota announced that there will be an increase in MSRP of $500 on the 2009 Prius vs. the 2008 models. There was no information leading to a re-design for the 2009 model, so it appears that they will be holding off on the re-design for the 2010 model at this point.
 
Ken
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Re: Waiting? Yes But... [kdhspyder] by lotusfan
Jul 28, 2008 (9:28 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 27, 2008 12:33 pm)

You wrote, "His email might have said 'available' not 'in stock'."
 
The e-mails I get definitely say "in stock".
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Re: Waiting? Yes But... [lotusfan] by sbell4
Jul 28, 2008 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: lotusfan (Jul 28, 2008 9:28 am)

The e-mails I get definitely say "in stock".
 
yeah, well I also have eight (8) 2008 Toyota Prius in stock.....and they are off-lease vehicles. I agree with kdhspyder, they are not new and untitled.
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Re: Waiting? Yes But... [kdhspyder] by tiff_c
Jul 28, 2008 (9:22 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 27, 2008 12:41 pm)

Just as a point of reference the higher population areas are getting more. We've had 70 new units available to us from July 15th through Aug 10th. All of them found owners well before they arrived. Every one of them was fixed with a $500-$1000 deposit and was sold at MSRP.
 
Hey at least you are selling them at MSRP and not above. That is something. Too many dealers overcharge. Personally I will not tie up $1,000 unless the dealer is giving me interest on the money. I'm currently getting 4.76%. The dealer says 3-6 months. No thanks, but for the people who can't wait the dealers are there for them.
I will wait until the panic dies down and probably buy the Honda Hybrid if it's as good as it looks. Toyota put me off a bit and I'll still give them a chance but it'll come down to money. Cash buyers like myself are very fussy about the money since it's out of pocket.
So far the fuel is dropping a bit over here so that might tame the feeding frenzy a bit.
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Re: Waiting? Yes But... [tiff_c] by kdhspyder
Jul 29, 2008 (4:16 am)
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Replying to: tiff_c (Jul 28, 2008 9:22 pm)

I think that you'll find that the new [Honda hybrid, Insight, Hindsight, Honda Prius] will be a very basic vehicle somewhat below a Civic. The Fit is a good comparison point.
 
The pricing almost dictates it. At $19000 including a $2000 hybrid option the base vehicle would sell ~$17000. That's about the price of a base, base 5 spd Civic or Corolla with rollup windows. This is a good thing for that buying segment but it has very little appeal at all to the current buying segments for the HCH and the Prius.
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Re: Waiting? Yes But... [kdhspyder] by tiff_c
Jul 29, 2008 (6:45 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jul 29, 2008 4:16 am)

I think that you'll find that the new [Honda hybrid, Insight, Hindsight, Honda Prius] will be a very basic vehicle somewhat below a Civic. The Fit is a good comparison point.
 
That's cheaper than a Prius but I have driven more than a few Prius's and they lack a telescoping steering wheel, seat height adjustment etc....
I expect that the Honda version will probably have the trim level of a Civic LX.
But Honda like Toyota is keeping as quiet as possible about details like options and pricing.
Toyota is the front runner, but I will be interested to see how Honda competes. One thing is for certain, Buyers will have more than the Prius to go to if the new Honda proves out. Honda certainly wants a big slice of the hybrid market. The Fit is somewhat underpowered especially with the automatic. My friend owned a Jazz and I drove that a lot when I was visiting him. I fully expect that the newer Honda Hybrid will not be as underpowered as the Fit. The Prius is no speed demon, but it's acceptable, considering the fuel economy.
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Re: Waiting? Yes But... [tiff_c] by beantown
Jul 29, 2008 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: tiff_c (Jul 27, 2008 12:27 pm)

tiff c:
 
You're in NH. Why don't you drive down an hour or two to Boch Toyota on route one in MA? They have 10 new priuses IN STOCK and on their lot today. They also have 3 used on the lot today. I always love it when people in other regions speak as if they have knowledge of what other regions have access to from week to week, when obviously they are just guessing based off what they have.

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