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#219 of 311 Re: 2009 Prius [lotusfan]
Jul 09, 2008 (9:52 am)
I agree but for those who are desperately seeking a plugin it's not too much of a stretch if the warranties are similar in length.
The Volt has already been announced at coming to market in the $40000 range. But....there's a huge unmentioned factor in this. GM has been working the halls of Congress to get a significant tax break credit for all plugins and EREVs. By announcing that they plan to sell it for $40000 I'm certain that they are confident of a $5000 - $10000 tax credit for the buyers. Now the net difference is only about $3000-$5000 over a top trim Toyota. Slick move on their part this would be. The Volt is announced to get 40 gas-free miles. The Prius PHEV is expected to get maybe 20 gas-free miles.
But on the Toyota side this is what I'd expect to see. The Prius is going to remain the main driving force simply because to most its name means 'hybrid'. This is why Toyota is looking to expand the lineup both smaller and larger with 3 or 4 or 5 different 'Prius models'.
If it remains the basic hybrid in Toyota's lineup then it will remain as a NiMH hybrid simply because this technology is so stable, so durable and now after 1.3 million vehicles so cost effective.
NiMH Prius' ranging from $22000 up to $30000 with different amenities. Then in 2011 a plugin model with Li-Ion technology as a 'super trim' in the $35000 or $36000 price range. From recent indications from Toyota these PHEV Prius' will number in the several hundred at first. Toyota has never been very excited by this concept at all.
I tend to agree and I think you would too. Too expensive for too little benefit. However over at PriusChat and other sites there is a hardcore group of EVs that can't wait to spend the money for one. For me when my current 'outdated' Prius is used up at 250,000 or 300,000 miles I'll probably just go with another NiMH 'traditional' model in the low 20's....or a used one.
Nevertheless with such a HUGE and wealthy market I'm sure that Toyota ( and GM ) will find all the buyers they want in the $30000-$35000 range. If these buyers happen to have the perfect commute or annual usage they could stop buying petro-fuel forever.
Just as an example one 1 fillup every 6 months vs a 33 mpg Corolla or Civic. Both driven 12000 mi/yr at an average cost of $5 / gal over 7 yrs of driving. For those that hate the oil companies, or hate the oil producers or want to use no fuel for environmental reasons it's very very seductive to buy a vehicle that uses no fuel. They are apparently more willing to pay some 'premium' to an auto company rather than to an oil company. This is a perfectly valid reason for buying also.
There are a lot of GM proponents over at GMI that can't wait to shell out $35000-$40000 ( with an expected credit ) in order to get GM back on its feet thus to stick it to the oil companies who they see as putting GM in the mess they are now.
#220 of 311 Re: A lowend Honda hybrid will never be serious ... [kdhspyder]
Jul 09, 2008 (12:16 pm)
"Also I think that with the least expensive hybrid now on the road starting about $22000 that there's a huge potential for Honda to gain a big slug of buyers in the $18000+ range. But to get down to this price level something has to give, it's usually the size and the content. "
The Fit is already pushing 18K (sports model), so a hybrid version is more likely at 20K or so. BUT it should get much better MPG than the HCH due to it's smaller size and lower weight. Plus, it is a hatchback.
#221 of 311 2010 Prius to be built in the US
Jul 10, 2008 (9:30 am)
Toyota has decided to build the next-generation Prius in the United states to better address changes in consumer demand.
To do this, they will move Highlander production to one of the Tundra assembly plants and build Tundras in only one plant.
This will also deal with changes in the value of the US dollar vs the Yen and reduce overcapacity for building Tundras.
#222 of 311 Re: 2009 Prius [backy]
Jul 14, 2008 (7:21 am)
Yes, you are right, THANKS. I called my dealer and said you are correct, I made the mistake, Sorry.
As far as wait for 2010, I will get my 2009 and keep it until 2010's are out, sell the 2009 for about what I paid. The old Prius's hold the value very well, having said that the 2010's production may choke the market reducing the value of the used Prius.
Dealer says that production is underway.
#223 of 311 Re: 2009 Prius [fookahn]
Jul 14, 2008 (8:21 am)
For most vehicles that doesn't hold true. when a new model comes out there is a bigger than normal drop in price. Why would someone want to give you what/almost what you paid when they could buy for a few bucks more a 2010 with all new technology? I'm sure they are thinking the same as you, I want the new one that will be the same for at least the next 5 years.
#224 of 311 Re: 2009 Prius [fookahn]
Jul 14, 2008 (8:45 am)
Yes 2009 production is underway. We already have the 2009 brochures waiting the arrival of the new models.
I have a feeling that there is likely to be a 'Gold Rush' mentality for the new 2010's similar to what occured back in 03, 04 and the beginning of 05. Yes, production will be far greater than at that time but if fuel is topping $5 a gallon and the new model is more efficient than this Gen I can see it being oversubscribed for at least 6 months or until the new plant in Miss can get wound up.
#225 of 311 Re: 2009 Prius [fookahn]
Jul 14, 2008 (6:13 pm)
Usually when a new model comes out the initial production is pretty slow, so the 2010 Prius will probably be in short supply for several months after it debuts and may have a backlog of people who pre-ordered to be the first to buy the new design.
If there are issues with the new technology, production may slow even further.
#226 of 311 Re: 2009 Prius [jaxs1]
Jul 14, 2008 (6:30 pm)
What new technology would that be? The 2010 Prius is supposed to have the same kind of technology as the current Prius, but with an ICE derived from the Corolla's 1.8L engine. The new battery technology comes later. At least that is what I've read.
Initial supply will probably depend on how fast the U.S. plant can ramp up.
#227 of 311 Re: 2009 Prius [backy]
Jul 15, 2008 (10:37 am)
The new plant in Mississippi is not expected to come live until late 2010. My belief is most 2010 cars will be assembled in Japan (or China??) and 2011 model year is when US production will kick in. It will be interesting to see differences in manufacturing quality between their plants.
#228 of 311 2009 will be here for me in 3 weeks
Jul 17, 2008 (7:18 pm)
Dealer just called, says early to mid August, come and get it!. Had my money down for 2 months. Can't wait. Dealer has put me in line for 2010 ($500.00), I will trade 2009 and expect that people hoping for good mileage will line up for the used prius. Many people out there looking for anything that has mileage. I see old Prius's selling for high dollars. If gas keeps going up I will make a profit, Gas goes down, then I keep 2009. Regardless of hybrid, Toyota holds value, hybrid & Toyota holds value better.
Want plug in, will sell 2009 for the plug. I am on ComEd real time pricing program. Charge different rate per hour, some days 4 hours free power, no charge at all. plug in at night, yeah. electric bill down to 48.00 a month. go to www.thewattspot.com.