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What to expect from the next model year Prius

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Re: 2009 Prius [exfrog] by kdhspyder
Jul 07, 2008 (7:31 pm)
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Replying to: exfrog (Jul 07, 2008 7:01 pm)

Sounds half right, half speculation and half just wrong.
 
This is accurate:
In Sept of this year the 09s will arrive and they will be exactly like the 08s
In Jan of 09 the Chairman of Toyota will make a major announcement about the introduction of the new Gen 3 Prius and a 'Lexus Prius'.
The 'line off ' for this vehicle is April 09 meaning it should arrive here in the Summer
It will have a improved NiMH battery pack.
It will not have a Li-Ion battery pack because none of the vehicle makers are certain about this technology .... yet.
 
This is speculation:
It will cost $10000 more. More than what? More than a base model at $22000, if so then it would be a bargain $32000.
No pricing has been put out officially. Everything is internet chatter.
 
This is wrong:
The 09s and or the '10s next summer will have a plugin option. Toyota has said nothing on this subject other than they are testing various options now.
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Re: Latest Info On '09 [railroadjames] by jaxs1
Jul 07, 2008 (7:55 pm)
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Replying to: railroadjames (Jul 07, 2008 4:45 pm)

Not true at all.
The 2009 Prius will be the same as 2008s.
The 2010 model will be the new model with the optional solar panel.
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Car and Driver Pics of 2010 Prius by jaxs1
Jul 07, 2008 (10:14 pm)
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Re: 2009 Prius [exfrog] by imscf
Jul 08, 2008 (3:05 pm)
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Replying to: exfrog (Jul 07, 2008 7:01 pm)

"It will cost $10000 more. More than what? More than a base model at $22000, if so then it would be a bargain $32000. "
Let's see: If that Prius with the solar panels (costing $32,000) get 50miles/gallon, for 15,000 miles (a year driving), you'd need 300 gallons of gas.
If instead you'd get a Honda Civic EX (costing at most $18,000), which gets 30 miles/gallon, you'd need 500 gallons.
So annually you'd save 200 gallons; even if the the price goes up to $5.00/gallon, you'd save $1,000/year.
You'd need, then, 14 years to recoup the extra $14,000 (not counting the tax on the extra cost), you've spent buying that Prius instead of the Honda.
It doesn't sound like a bargain to me!
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Re: 2009 Prius [imscf] by lotusfan
Jul 08, 2008 (3:48 pm)
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Replying to: imscf (Jul 08, 2008 3:05 pm)

Perhaps he meant $1000 more, rather than $10,000. A $10,000 increase isn't realistic, they would lose customers to other hybrids, and be accused of price gouging. (Not to mention that the prices on used 2007-2009 Priuses would go up) I do suspect that it will be more expensive, but they could never get away with making it $10,000 more expensive. From what we've seen and heard, nothing about it is worth a $10k increase.
 
As I suggested earlier, it will be available in by the summer of 2009 (if not earlier). I read from a fairly official Toyota source (I can;t remember which) that it will have Lithium-Ion batteries. There have been rumblings that this might have changed to question it. However, Toyota is sufficiently confident in Li-Ion battery technology that they will be producing them in a joint venture starting in 2009. Perhaps these batteries will make it into the next gen Prius by the summer of 09.
 
On a final note, I don't know how you've been talking to, but I've been getting sales offers on Priuses that are either on the lot or on their way to the lot not yet sold. This was true of dealers I was in contact with in Virginia, Maryland, Colorado and New Mexico. So I am neither a liar, uninformed or stupid (such comments are truly uncalled for). I just do my research before I open my mouth.
 
I'm still waiting for the next gen Prius which I expect to see in 6-12 months in 2009. I even prefer the look of the new one.
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$10k more? Maybe for the "Lexus version" by maribago
Jul 08, 2008 (4:03 pm)
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A $32k version ($22k + $10k)? If offered with Lexus-level finishes/options and a Lithium battery, this could probably sell.
 
But Toyota would be wise to keep the standard Prius at the current price. Honda's trying hard to nip them on the low end and the new Honda hybrid-only model will squeeze their market share seriously if Toyota gives it a chance.
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Re: Car and Driver Pics of 2010 Prius [jaxs1] by backy
Jul 08, 2008 (5:46 pm)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Jul 07, 2008 10:14 pm)

The upper frame doesn't look like a picture at all, but a computer-generated image. The lower frame looks a little more "real" but also photo-shopped, I suspect.
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Re: 2009 Prius [exfrog] by fookahn
Jul 08, 2008 (7:09 pm)
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Replying to: exfrog (Jul 07, 2008 7:01 pm)

I was told that the 09 will not come out until after MARCH, 2009. It will not even be seen until the Detroit auto show Jan / 2009. I put my money down for the 09 passing up the 08 awhile ago. All 09s are 3rd generation. (Bigger car/engine, better mileage) 2010 will be out in 09 back on schedule, cutting 09 manufacturing down to less then a standard model year Lith-Ion, (Plug in), sure who knows.
 
If what your golf buddy said is true, then why is it so quiet in Japan? hush hush? Hmmmm. If the car was the same as 08, then where are they???? they would be somewhere. Retooling, please. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a 09 somewhere.
 
Dealer says long long wait for 09, the cars are not in manufacturing much less out of engineering stages. My 09 Prius is coming from largest Toyota dealer in mid-west, I signed agreement that I must pay the MSRP listed online at Toyota web site.
 
Toyota said almost nothing about 2009 car, why? Because it must still be in planning stages, otherwise they would be screaming come and get it. No lots of bad information and guessing out there, Take what Toyota says to the bank. The solar cell talk, yeah, possible, who knows.
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Re: 2009 Prius [fookahn] by backy
Jul 08, 2008 (7:12 pm)
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Replying to: fookahn (Jul 08, 2008 7:09 pm)

I heard it's the 2010 model that won't come out until early next year. The 2009 model is supposed to be out this fall.
 
If it's the next-gen 2010 model that people are "waiting for", maybe the title of this discussion needs to be changed?
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Re: 2009 Prius [imscf] by kdhspyder
Jul 08, 2008 (8:10 pm)
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Replying to: imscf (Jul 08, 2008 3:05 pm)

Oh NO...not this again. Comparing unequals is the worst kind of logical fallacy then to compound the error by ignoring the question of resale invalidates the conclusion. Literally it's a half-baked analysis.
 
Most importantly ...... you misread the post. The $10000 premium was discussing the plug in option. I don't think that you've spent much time in the hybrid forums to understand the background to the $10000 premium question.
 
You might want to familiarize yourself with some of the posters who are chomping at the bit to get a PHEV Prius or Volt. Ask yourself this question. 'Why are they so eager to pay up to $40000 to get one of these puppies?'
 
Actually I think that you are right - but for a completely different reason ( unstated but implied ) - but you chose the wrong vehicle for your comparo.

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