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May 22, 2008 (5:50 am)
2008 Corolla weighed about the same as the 2009 Yaris. They all wear similar-sized shoes as 2008 Prius.
The 2008 Prius weighs more than the 2009 Corolla. 2009 Corolla's shoes are wider accross the range. Even the 2004 Camry, which was of roughly equal weight to the Prius, had an extra inch of contact patch.
2008 Prius wears shoes designed for cars 300-400lbs lighter than itself.
The point I was trying to make, but we both got lost on how many generations of Corolla there are, and which one is which.
I get the feeling that the 2009 Prius will be a real porker, close to 2009 Camry weight. Let us indeed see if they follow up with mid-size car tires, as that is what the Prius ought to have always had.
Indeed I was correct, that compared to other vehicles of its size, Toyota always fitted tires that had less resistance while rolling to the Prius, likely to improve fuel economy. That works the same with any car, but they wanted to exaggerate the improvements of their Synergy Drive. They do not have to be of a LRRT material to achieve that effect. But I guarantee it is at the cost of braking and accident avoidance.
#184 of 311 Re: seats [bigmclargehuge]
May 22, 2008 (6:30 am)
These may all be a moot point for everyone. I'm not that interested in arguing the history of NHTSA anymore, despite the disinformation that's been thrown around on this forum.
I'm sure it does just fine in crash worthiness, as indeed almost all cars tested are getting A's and B's. There are few genearlly 'unsafe' cars in a crash. However, I like to avoid crashes altogether, and NHTSA is making it a primary goal to study accident avoidance.
That is something that is as of yet untested and unverified. But do a google search for 'Prius' and 'wet' and you'll see what I mean. Its not the most stable vehicle out there.
People buy it for MPG. Great, it is the best out there. No argument. But please don't pretend it's the best thing since sliced bread for everyone and all purposes. You do make some concessions with most cars, and this is no different.
We all know its not among the fastest, or the sportiest, or the best handling, even the most comfortable vehicles on the road. IMO, you could add not the safest to that list. It may be the best fuel sipper.
We all have our priorities.
#185 of 311 Improvements wanted for 2009--Wish list
May 25, 2008 (5:04 pm)
I have a 2006 Prius and am considered a second one, once the 2009 is here. Anyone know if it will have improvements such as the following:
-- Front/rear disc brakes?
-- Sturdier, less cheesey plastic dash?
-- More adjustments for front seats?
-- More powerful heater?
I do love the mileage, mind you. But I have to tell people, when asked, that it is basically a low-end car (think Corolla) with an advanced power train. Is there hope for improvements in 2009?
#186 of 311 Re: Improvements wanted for 2009--Wish list [maribago]
May 25, 2008 (6:19 pm)
There will be no changes on the 2009s at all. They will be carryovers until the big change next summer as a 2010 MY. Announcement to be made in January at the NAIAS.
As to your specific questions, only the builders/designers know and it's doubtful we'll know anything before Jan.
#187 of 311 Re: seats [stevedebi]
May 27, 2008 (10:09 am)
I followed your link but found only complaints about the tires on the 2002 Prius. The four year old article points out that the Toyota Dealer found an additional tire that was in need of replacement. It sounds like an issue with the tire manufacturer or a maintenance issue with the owner of that Prius.
I don't own a Prius (mostly because I am unwilling to stand in line behind dozens of other buyers who are willing to buy a Prius on the dealers terms (often above MSRP)), but EVERYONE I know who drives a Prius loves the vehicle. Only one person I have spoken to has had a problem. A failed ECM after 110,000 miles on her 2002 Prius.
I will not be swayed by anecdotal evidence from a driver who doesn't understand the any mechanical device requires a minimum of maintenance. I won't blame the car. I would blame the driver who does not perform regular maintenance on the vehicle. Any driver who does not at least casually inspect the most important piece of safety equipment regularly (tires) deserves some inconvenience.
#188 of 311 Re: seats [gearhead8]
Jun 04, 2008 (3:41 am)
I don't own a Prius (mostly because I am unwilling to stand in line behind dozens of other buyers who are willing to buy a Prius on the dealers terms (often above MSRP))
I don't know where you're getting these quote over MSRP, but I recently got quotes for a loaded Touring edition Prius from 6 dealers -- half on the east coast (Virginia), half in the West (Colorado, New Mexico), and NONE were over MSRP and most were under MSRP, with the best about $900 under MSRP.
I, however, decided to wait for the 2009 model.
#189 of 311 Re: seats [orangelebaron]
Jun 08, 2008 (8:04 am)
The seats are the main reason I didn't get the Prius. I didn't like the styling inside or out, or the handling, or the poor rear visibility, but I was willing to live with the styling and just get one with the optional backup camera, but the lack of seat comfort and thigh support was the deal killer. Even a manual seat height/tilt adjustment knob probably would have been enough to cure the problem.
I have already purchased a new vehicle that only gets average MPG that I plan to enjoy for about 3-4 years. I will probably revisit the next generation Prius or another model that gets similar mileage in it's 2012-2013 model year.
The new Prius design would have been out for at least 3 years by then giving them plenty of time to fix glitches and adjust production capacity to demand.
#190 of 311 Re: seats [lotusfan]
Jun 08, 2008 (8:05 am)
There is nothing different about the 2009. No point in waiting for it.
If you are going to wait, you might as well wait longer and get the new 2010 model.
#191 of 311 question about my prius when stopping
Jun 08, 2008 (8:49 am)
Hello, I love my Prius but occasionally I'll be at a stop and the it will show on the display that it's not using electric or gas but the engine is still running. Then the engine will stop but make a thud noise and jolt the car. Is this normal?
#192 of 311 Re: question about my prius when stopping [prius08lb]
Jun 08, 2008 (3:51 pm)
Yes. Completely normal, just ignore it. 78000 miles and counting.