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311 messages, Last post on Apr 26, 2009 at 5:43 AM
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 21, 2008 7:50 am) Golly Gee you're only 6-1/2 years out of date!!!!! You do realize that since the Gen2 came out there are no such thing as LRRT's on any of the OEMs. How can you make a post like that based on completely inaccurate data? Pretty soon it will be 2004 and you can bring yourself up to date. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 21, 2008 10:52 am) I'm following this thread with interest. If the tires are not LLRT, then would it not be WORSE for the Prius, since there must be some other explanation why there have been reports of crosswind handling? The LLRT would be easily fixed... 
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 21, 2008 8:53 am) This time however you're 30+ years behind the times. The NHTSA tests are about to be changed at their own initiative because they themselves did a study last year and came to the conclusion that their own tests indicated .... NOTHING!!! They stated on the Safercar.gov website that they had last made adjustments to the tests in the 70s and 80s and their own tests were outdated. The statement that they made was that there was little correlation between their own tests and real world situation. Too many people were getting hurt/killed by supposedly 'safe' vehciles. They solicited comments from the public for ways to improve the 'predictability' of the tests. Essentially the rest of the world and the IIHS all do the tests one way while the NHTSA does it another way. If you buy cars or make decisions on the NHTSA ratings you are putting yourself at risk.....at their own admission. But continue on in your darkness. It's great to be 30 yrs out of date. Here for example are the 'real' crash test ratings for these types of cars. http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=40
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 21, 2008 10:52 am) Really? Because I thought that the Yukon Hybrid was NEW for 2008. Like other hybrids, the Tahoe and Yukon are equipped with regenerative brakes that capture energy normally wasted during braking and use it to recharge the battery. A new air-conditioning unit requires less power and thus uses less fuel. And Tahoe Hybrid rides on lightweight aluminum wheels with tires that have low rolling resistance. Go ahead and LYAO as you shoot yourself in the foot.
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Replying to: stevedebi (May 21, 2008 10:59 am) Now the wind buffeting is a minor issue but it is noticable because of the design of the high profile and relatively narrow wheelbase. It's not a huge issue but it's there nonetheless. It's one of the reasons I believe that the new Gen 3 next summer will a little lower, wider and longer. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (May 21, 2008 11:06 am) If you claim NHTSA is out of date, but that IIHS does it differently, yet both agree that Subaru tops the list for all models. Lets see this Safecar.gov quote that all CURRENT government ratings are useless. Why are YOU quoting data from the 70's and 80's and saying I'm 30-years behind? They said no such thing in their 2005-2009 Plan, Through the combined efforts of NHTSA, Congress, states, local law enforcement, public safety groups and industry, the nation has made major strides in reducing fatalities and injuries in motor vehicle crashes. An effective way to help consumers enhance the market for safety is to provide them with more comparative vehicle safety information, including crash test ratings and available safety features. Increasingly, consumers are demanding such information and are basing their purchasing decisions on it. So what exactly are you basing your safety assumptions on? The Informed for Life site claimed to use both NHTSA and IIHS government ratings, but in the end, they clearly just picked their own numbers. Are you defending drum brakes as the epitomy of safety? Do all Toyotas come with standard 4-wheel ABS yet? I know in 2005 only the fronts were standard, with others moving to 4-wheel disk/ 4-wheel antilock long before them. The only company I know that is behind the times on safety is Toyota. Even if they fixed the problem, they leave a foul taste in my mouth. Clearly it is useless to argue against the propaganda minister in his own forum. It is clear that you have a predisposition to argue in favor of the Prius in spite of all available evidence.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 21, 2008 11:25 am) http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota_prius_tires.html Even if they fixed the problem, they leave a foul taste in my mouth. " Just to be fair, that article deals with the GEN 1 Prius, not the current model.
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Replying to: stevedebi (May 21, 2008 12:08 pm) So technically, they are 'lower rolling resistance' because of surface area. Just not tread compound. For those that don't know; traction, breaking, and accident avoidance in general is improved as tread area is increased (so long as the tread is good). At the same time, fuel usage goes down. They are still sacrificing safety in the name of the almighty kthx. bye |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 21, 2008 8:53 am)
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Replying to: bksmith1 (May 21, 2008 12:50 pm) Why would you compare MPG of vehicles of different types? That's where the Outback/Prius conversation started. Then I was responding to a 'mathematical' comparison of the Outback vs. Prius safety, which like you say is bogus to begin with, but on top of that the math was bogus. Then there's those that want you to believe that the government is trying to kill us all with faulty safety data. That the worst thing you could do is trust the NHTSA ratings. Its a conspiracy! I doubt that very much. I think of the Prius as among the least likely vehicles out there to be able to AVOID an accident, let alone survive it. Its as stable as a pig on iceskates, with arthritis in the back feet. Fortunately, the best mileage occurs in the city, where high speed crashes are less likely. And both major Prius wrecks I saw this year were on a 65mph highway. |
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